Jupiter Rowland

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

Duothematic channel. Primary topic is virtual worlds/OpenSim, secondary topic is the Fediverse beyond Mastodon. Follow me from Mastodon or anywhere else in the Fediverse.

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Explaining Hubzilla to those who don't want to use it anyway

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 11:14:10 +0100

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

Idea: Short posts that tell Mastodon users how Hubzilla is not just like Mastodon; CW: long (well over 1,100 characters), Fediverse meta, non-Mastodon Fediverse meta

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Wed, 21 Feb 2024 11:41:43 +0100

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Regezi

which perhaps other networks can do...

...and have to do.

Next to nobody on Mastodon talks about anything that isn't Mastodon or whatever Mastodon doesn't want to federate with (Threads, Bluesky).

The only exceptions are devs who advertise their Fedi projects. And even they only use Mastodon if a) their project isn't ready yet, and/or b) it's too much different from Mastodon to be used for advertising.

Everyone else who talks about the non-Mastodon Fediverse isn't on Mastodon.

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 11:57:47 +0100

Alexander Goeres

jabgoe2089@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Jupiter Rowland this is a very good idea!

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 12:59:29 +0100

eshep

eshep@social.trom.tf

Keep spreadin the word!

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 13:20:56 +0100

eshep

eshep@social.trom.tf

I don't get much ridiculousness on my feed(?), it's not too difficult to weed out, but I saw a rather disheartening thing show up recently that was encouraging people to "fight back"/"take a stand" against #Meta connecting to #Mastodon.

No, that's not what #ActivityPub is for, the whole idea is to allow communication across different services. There seems to be quite a few people who do not want non-Mastodon things in the #fediverse. I'm not so sure that it's simply a matter of ignorance, although that probably has a bit to do with it.

meta

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 13:26:50 +0100

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Regezi This could have one or several out of many reasons.

One, people on certain projects prefer to interact with people on the same or similar projects anyway, also due to overarching cultures. For example Misskey and Sharkey which have "UwU kawaii desu" written all over them while Mastodon doesn't.

Two, similarly, a refusal to let Mastodon users connect because this increases Mastodon's pressure on non-Mastodon projects to abandon their own culture in favour of Mastodon's.

Three, vice versa, Mastodon and its users rejecting the culture of non-Mastodon projects whenever it differs from Mastodon's. Many Mastodon users want everything that is "un-Mastodon-like" banned all across the whole Fediverse because it disturbs them, be it posts over 500 characters, be it quotes, be it "quote-tweets", be it text formatting in any way. However, all this stuff is perfectly normal and absolutely part of the culture everywhere outside of Mastodon.

So on the one hand, you have Mastodon users blocking everyone who does stuff that's alien to Mastodon upon first strike, depriving them of exposure and range on Mastodon. Plus everyone who ever talks about the Fediverse without only talking about Mastodon. On the other hand, you have non-Mastodon users who refuse to post to Mastodon users in the first place in order to avoid this kind of drama. And at least some projects actually allow you to select whom to post to, and yes, including Hubzilla.

Four, for the reasons mentioned above, some non-Mastodon users never even expose their accounts/channels to Mastodon, so nobody on Mastodon knows them. Some Hubzilla and (streams) users go another step further: If they're on (streams), they turn ActivityPub off altogether to keep themselves away from all the drama on Mastodon, and if they're on Hubzilla, they intentionally don't turn it on in the first place. This shields them from Mastodon practically entirely.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 13:54:04 +0100

Scott M. Stolz

scott@authorship.studio

@eshep

No, that's not what #ActivityPub is for, the whole idea is to allow communication across different services. There seems to be quite a few people who do not want non-Mastodon things in the #fediverse. I'm not so sure that it's simply a matter of ignorance, although that probably has a bit to do with it.

Mostly, I think people didn't realize what they signed up for. They thought that they signed up for a Twitter replacement and they got an open network instead. Since they thought Mastodon was Twitter without Elon Musk, the whole concept that other stuff can connect to Mastodon wasn't something they anticipated or could comprehend in the beginning. Now they are freaking out that other people are connecting to a network that was always open.

Plus I see a lot of vocal people complaining about the "privacy" of their public posts on a public network.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-- Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

Some people don't seem to understand what public means. And they don't realize that their public posts are already being indexed by search engines and scrapped by all sorts of people, some unsavory. And that is before Threads and Bluesky connect. They haven't learned that they need to be careful what they post online.

I do understand people's concerns, and there are valid concerns. But the most vocal people who object to others joining the network don't really understand what an open network is or that they signed up on one by creating a Mastodon account.

The people who have concerns, but understand the nature of the fediverse and ActivityPub, talk about specific issues and how to solve them instead of calling for bans of entire platforms.

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:08:52 +0100

Scott M. Stolz

scott@authorship.studio

@Jupiter Rowland

Maybe I should start an irregular series of "What Hubzilla is like" posts for people in the Fediverse, Mastodon specifically, who don't know anything about it. Not for those who want to switch, but for those who assume that Hubzilla is just like whatever else they know.

That probably would be a good idea. And I think we need to create a page on the Hubzilla website or elsewhere that compares the features of Hubzilla, Streams, and Mastodon.

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:18:48 +0100

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@eshep There were another two threads about Bridgy Fed creating a bridge to Bluesky. And again, people loudly demanded the Fediverse be ActivityPub only.

Thing is, the Fediverse has never been ActivityPub only. Mastodon started in 2016 with OStatus because, like Pleroma earlier the same year, it started as an alternative frontend for GNU social. So GNU social was based on OStatus, and both Friendica and Hubzilla already knew it, too. At that point, the term "Fediverse" was already some four years old.

It was only in September of 2018 that Mastodon announced the introduction of ActivityPub as an additional protocol. Hubzilla had done so two months earlier, so Mastodon has never even been the only ActivityPub project.

But the vast majority of Mastodon users seems to think that Eugen Rochko invented a) Mastodon, b) ActivityPub and c) the Fediverse and d) did so in 2022 as a reaction upon Musk's announcement to take over Twitter. And literally everything else in the Fediverse was made after Mastodon.

Not only that, but the Bluesky bridge threads made it painfully obvious that a two-digit percentage of Mastodon users is still fully convinced that the Fediverse is actually nothing but Mastodon. Because they clearly want to fight for it remaining that way, unaware that is isn't that way.

I think when Hubzilla and Friendica users joined the threads and started commenting, these folks either ended up deeply disturbed with their worldviews shattered to rubble upon the revelation that there's more in the Fediverse than Mastodon already now. Or they didn't even notice that these posts a) talked about non-Mastodon Fediverse projects which are reality now and b) came from outside of Mastodon, no matter how blatantly obvious it was that these posts could impossibly have been sent from Mastodon.

The rest might be aware that there's more to the Fediverse than Mastodon. But this "more" is limited to Pixelfed and PeerTube and what they think must essentially be Mastodon with a different UI.

It was just as painfully obvious that just about none of the Mastodon users who posted on these threads and railed loudly against bridges of any kind knows that stuff is bridged to Mastodon already now and has been bridged to Mastodon since Mastodon's own launch. This stuff currently is Hubzilla and (streams), none of which are based on ActivityPub.

Granted, in these cases, we aren't talking about one big third-party bridge for everyone. The bridge in question is named "PubCrawl", it's a first-party add-on to both Hubzilla and (streams) that comes with the server application itself, so while not firmly baked into their cores, it's an official part of them, and there's one individual bridge for each channel. But yes, there are bridges.

This is one thing I'd like to explain in such a "snippet". Other things would be, for example:

Mastodon was launched in 2016. Hubzilla was both launched and had its first stable point release in 2015, and it's a fork of the now-defunct Red Matrix from 2012 which is a fork of Friendica from 2010. Also, Mastodon announced ActivityPub integration in September, 2018; Hubzilla did so in July. In both cases, Hubzilla was there first. It is not an intruder. Deal with it.
Mastodon generally has a 500-character limit; its whole culture is built around this limit. Hubzilla doesn't have any character limit; its culture doesn't know any character limits.
Mastodon has a dedicated content warning field. But that content warning field is actually a re-appropriated summary field because nobody needs a summary for 500 characters. On Hubzilla, it still is a summary field. And Hubzilla does content warnings reader-side and automatically by detecting keywords in posts, and optionally so. Thus, writing Mastodon-style content warnings is not part of Hubzilla's culture. But giving summaries for long posts in what Mastodon perceives as a content warning is part of Hubzilla's culture.
An explanation why Hubzilla can't add Mastodon-style content warnings to replies which includes a description of Hubzilla's conversation model in comparison with Mastodon's.
Hubzilla has always had full-text search with no opt-out. This is, of course, limited to whatever any given hub knows, but it does never exclude Mastodon toots.
Hubzilla has always had text formatting. It has always been part of its culture. And large parts of its text formatting capabilities aren't even shown on Mastodon.
Hubzilla's weird-looking mentions and hashtags are hard-coded and have been since six years before Mastodon.
"Quote-tweets" have always been part of Hubzilla's culture because Hubzilla does that instead of "retweeting" or "boosting" because it can't boost (again yet). It always links to both the original post and the original poster. There will never be a way for anyone on Mastodon to opt out of it.
Hubzilla can quote anyone anywhere in the Fediverse with no resistance whatsoever. It has always been able to do that. There will never be a way for anyone on Mastodon to opt out of it.

Now, this is not meant to be advertisement. It's more like a series of public service announcements to raise Hubzilla awareness.

I'm well aware that it could also have the effect of triggering or increasing anti-Hubzilla campaigning on Mastodon. I mean, most Mastodon users probably don't even know that Hubzilla exists, and most of who do don't know what Hubzilla can do. And large parts of what it can do fall under "atrocities" and "breaking the Fediquette" from a Mastodon point of view. Mastodon doesn't riot against that stuff because it doesn't know about that stuff.

But if such riots broke out because Hubzilla is so not like Mastodon and even refuses to be more like Mastodon, that'd tell a lot about Mastodon.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:24:01 +0100

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Scott M. Stolz The notion that Mastodon is private just because isn't corporate is hilarious, and it shows that many many Mastodon users have only ever used Mastodon through dedicated mobile apps. They've never in their lives seen the Web interface.

Otherwise they would have noticed the switch that keeps Google out. I mean, that switch has to exist for a reason, right? And I think big general-purpose instances tend to have it off by default.

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:27:25 +0100

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Regezi @Scott M. Stolz There's a number of tables in the making on the Join the Fediverse Wiki. I've started expanding their structure because it used to be about which project has which Mastodon features. But I'm not even halfway done with that. Even when I am, there's no way that Paula and I can fill these tables with all necessary data.

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:30:59 +0100

Scott M. Stolz

scott@authorship.studio

@Jupiter Rowland

Mastodon was launched in 2016. Hubzilla was both launched and had its first stable point release in 2015, and it's a fork of the now-defunct Red Matrix from 2012 which is a fork of Friendica from 2010. Also, Mastodon announced ActivityPub integration in September, 2018; Hubzilla did so in July. In both cases, Hubzilla was there first. It is not an intruder. Deal with it.

My understanding is that in 2010 and 2011, it was still Friendika and still MIT Licensed. Friendica came about when they forked Friendika and made it AGPL instead of MIT License.

Free Friendika - MIT License
https://github.com/duthied/Free-Friendika

Friendica - AGPL License
https://github.com/friendica/friendica

(Even their GitHub account says it is a fork of Free Friendika.)

I am guessing that Red Matrix was a fork of Free Friendika as well.

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:32:58 +0100

J.Sʜᴀʀᴘ🌍🇺🇦Fʀᴇᴇᴅᴏᴍ&Dᴇᴍᴏᴄʀᴀᴄʏ

JSharp1436@mstdn.social

@jupiter_rowland @scott

Switch to keep Google out? Where's that?

Respectfully.

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:42:33 +0100

eshep

eshep@social.trom.tf

I do like your idea of PSA posts to help educate those who think #fediverse is the fancy name for #Mastodon, but I'd advise you keep em a bit more headline sized. I'm not so confident in the target audience's eagerness to read a @Jupiter Rowland sized post on anything. ?

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:47:29 +0100

J.Sʜᴀʀᴘ🌍🇺🇦Fʀᴇᴇᴅᴏᴍ&Dᴇᴍᴏᴄʀᴀᴄʏ

JSharp1436@mstdn.social

@eshep @jupiter_rowland

His posts are ridiculously long. Far too long.

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:51:12 +0100

eshep

eshep@social.trom.tf

So long that I have to hit show more multiple times to finish readin em.
?

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 15:11:00 +0100

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Scott M. Stolz It's a bit murky what exactly happened back then.

Friendica started as Mistpark before a German told Mike what a German understands when reading that word, namely manure park. It was then renamed to Friendika because the desired Friendica domain was still blocked.

Free Friendika was a fork of Friendika by someone who wasn't content with Friendika's license. Free Friendika was on GitHub right away while Friendika wasn't. The fork involved copying Friendika's whole repository to GitHub.

Friendika was renamed Friendica in 2011 or 2012 when that name had become available.

It was afterwards that Friendica's own code repository was migrated to GitHub. Due to a GitHub "quirk", Friendica was automatically declared a fork of Free Friendika which is technically false.

What exactly happened license-wise is murky to me. Friendica can't have started under the AGPL because that'd exclude re-licensing a fork. But interestingly, Hubzilla is MIT-licensed.

So whatever license Friendica started out under, it might have been the community which put it under the AGPL after taking over from Mike who was now tinkering with the Zot protocol.

Looking at the licenses, it's very likely that Mike didn't fork Friendica Red off Friendica but off Free Friendika, itself a hard fork of Friendika. Thus, some improvements on Friendica never made it to Friendica Red.

I also guess it was named Friendica Red first and then renamed Red (from spanish la red = "the net") after the whole backend had been re-written against Zot, and the whole thing had stopped being Friendica in the first place. The re-naming to Red Matrix must have been a kind of marketing decision.

It's even unclear what exactly was the base for Osada later. Case in point: Well after the release of Hubzilla, Mike's own instances were still all branded "Red Matrix" although this project should have been abandoned in early 2015 when Hubzilla was created from it.

So either the Red Matrix was renamed Hubzilla and reworked into what was Hubzilla 1.0 in July, but Mike kept the "Red Matrix" brand for his own instances. In this case, Osada was forked from Hubzilla, and most everything added from the Red Matrix to Hubzilla was removed again from Hubzilla to Osada.

Or Hubzilla was forked from the Red Matrix, mostly soft-forked, the Red Matrix became Hubzilla's smaller and more experimental brother, and Mike's own instances all became testbeds for development that would have been more difficult with the extra Hubzilla cruft in the way. In this case, chances are bigger that Mike forked Osada from the Red Matrix which had never had all that extra Hubzilla stuff that Osada never had either.

Either way, the path from Mistpark to Hubzilla is both very complicated and very murky, and so I guess it's kind of justified to simplify it a bit. At the same time, it's too short to simplify it the same the path from either the Red Matrix or Hubzilla to (streams) can be simplified because the latter has had many more forks in it ("a fork of a fork... of a fork of {Hubzilla|the Red Matrix}").

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Forks #Mistpark #Friendika #FreeFriendika #Friendica #RedMatrix #Hubzilla

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 15:19:42 +0100

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@J.Sʜᴀʀᴘ??Fʀᴇᴇᴅᴏᴍ?Dᴇᴍᴏᴄʀᴀᴄʏ Open a Web browser if you haven't already.

Go to https://mstdn.social.

Log in.

Burger menu near the top left, below the search field, next to your name, above the post editor.

Edit profile.

Tab "Privacy and reach" near the top, below the title "Public profile", next to "Edit profile".

Scroll down to the sub-headline "SEARCH".

There's this setting:

Include profile page in search engines
Your profile page may appear in search results on Google, Bing, and others.

If it's on, Google knows your profile and your posts.

I'd walk you through your app if you use one, but I don't know which app you use, and I could only walk you through Tusky and Fedilab on Android anyway.

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 15:23:05 +0100

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@eshep I've already mentioned that I need to squeeze all information into 410 characters.

That's Mastodon's limit of 500 characters minus two new lines minus the hashtags #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FediTips #FediverseTips #Hubzilla.

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 15:26:58 +0100

Scott M. Stolz

scott@authorship.studio

@Jupiter Rowland The original Friendika was definitely MIT Licensed. I know, because I found the project around 2011 and was very excited about it. And then they changed the license to AGPL and renamed it Friendica, and I lost all interest in it due to the license change. I did not know about other variations of the software that were still MIT licensed, otherwise I would have used that.

I don't know the rest of the timeline, but I do know this part is a fact.

Also, personally, I consider the act of changing the license to be forking the project. After all, that is why it split into two, one MIT licensed and one AGPL. Not everyone was happy with the license change.

Regardless of whether you think Friendica is a fork or a continuation of Friendika, the fact is, they changed the license. So there is a code base from before and after that change.

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 15:31:59 +0100

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@J.Sʜᴀʀᴘ??Fʀᴇᴇᴅᴏᴍ?Dᴇᴍᴏᴄʀᴀᴄʏ Open a Web browser if you haven't already.

Go to https://mstdn.social.

Log in.

Burger menu near the top left, below the search field, next to your name, above the post editor.

Preferences.

On the sidebar to the left, Filters.

Click or tap the button "Add new filter" in the top right corner.

Write "Long-ass posts" under Title.

Under Filter contexts, check Home and lists, Notifications, Public timelines, Conversations.

Under Filter action, if you want them hidden behind an automated CW, leave Hide with a warning selected. If you want them gone, choose Hide completely.

Further down, under the sub-headline KEYWORDS, write "#LongPost" under Keyword or phrase.

Click or tap Add keyword.

Write "#CWLong" under Keyword or phrase.

Click or tap Add keyword.

Write "#CWLongPost" under Keyword or phrase.

Click or tap the big SAVE NEW FILTER button at the very bottom.

Congrats, you have a filter against my long posts.

CC: @eshep

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 17:00:55 +0100

J.Sʜᴀʀᴘ🌍🇺🇦Fʀᴇᴇᴅᴏᴍ&Dᴇᴍᴏᴄʀᴀᴄʏ

JSharp1436@mstdn.social

@jupiter_rowland

Actually no app, the Web. I'll check it out.

Thank you very much!

Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:51:28 +0100

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

I've started writing such snippets now. But I've noticed two things.

One, some things simply can't be explained in one vanilla Mastodon toot of 500 characters or fewer. I've got two topics that have to be covered by two posts. I still refuse to go over 500 characters here because experience has shown that Mastodon users will ignore it if I do.

Two, I'll have to mention that Hubzilla was made before Mastodon in every other post.

Mon, 04 Mar 2024 07:29:03 +0100

Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

youronlyone@c.im

@jupiter_rowland

> Everyone else who talks about the non-Mastodon Fediverse isn't on Mastodon.

Not really. ? I'm on a Mastodon-powered instance.

I used to run a #Philippines #Friendica server. (It was the second #fediverse instance for the Philippines. The first was running Friendika managed by students.)

Then I ran my own #Hubzilla (family & friends). And used to manage the community for an #ASEAN Hubzilla instance (sadly, the sponsor and admin disappeared).

Today, I'm staying away from the backend management. I no longer have the resources to dedicate to it. So, I just search for instances with ***sane*** set up (like not abusing site-level blocks because someone told them to).

"True Fediverse citizens" (for lack of a better label) do exist on Mastodon-powered platforms. There are plenty of others beside me. ?

Mon, 04 Mar 2024 07:50:22 +0100

Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

youronlyone@c.im

Long post/reply

Artikel ansehen

@jupiter_rowland

> Three, vice versa, Mastodon and its users rejecting the culture of non-Mastodon projects whenever it differs from Mastodon's. Many Mastodon users want everything that is "un-Mastodon-like" banned all across the whole Fediverse because it disturbs them, be it posts over 500 characters, be it quotes, be it "quote-tweets", be it text formatting in any way. However, all this stuff is perfectly normal and absolutely part of the culture everywhere outside of Mastodon.

1. Character limitation. It's funny that it is a reason because three are Mastodon-powered instances (a lot in fact) with more than 500.

2. What the "purists" did not realise is that the customizable number of characters has been part of the Fediverse since the first Fediverse managed service launched: StatusNet "hosting", in 2008. @-lnxwalt was very active in posting different content on the different length instances back then.

3. To add to what you mentioned, another reason they hate #Threads is because they supposedly introduced something that isn't part of #Mastodon and #ActivityPub, dots in username.

But it has been around years before Instagram even thought about Threads (assuming they came up with the project during the #TwitterMigration ). You'll often see it from website-based AP implementations. @example.com@example.com

Also, the reasoning "not in ActivityPub" is well, Mastodon is as guilty of that since the discussions of AP started. Since Mastodon was successful in positioning itself at the proper place, everyone ended up / was forced to implement Mastodon-only stuff just so their software will be interoperable with it, even though it isn't part of ActivityPub.

Most "Mastodon purists", as well as, "ActivityPub gatekeepers" use reasons that can't stand; and their solution is fragmentation or contrary to what the Fediverse is, and what AP was made for. Basically, they want to go back to the way things are: "siloed networks" or "walled-gardens".

#BringDownTheWalls has been the goal of the Fediverse since 2008, and even before that when #SocialWeb discussions started (even in related conferences).

Mon, 04 Mar 2024 08:09:57 +0100

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Yohan Yuki Xieㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

Also, the reasoning "not in ActivityPub" is well, Mastodon is as guilty of that since the discussions of AP started. Since Mastodon was successful in positioning itself at the proper place, everyone ended up / was forced to implement Mastodon-only stuff just so their software will be interoperable with it, even though it isn't part of ActivityPub.

It seems like the loudest voices on Mastodon are amongst those who don't know anything about ActivityPub and the Fediverse even though they think and claim they do.

A lot of what comes from them is based on the assumption that the Fediverse started with Mastodon, Eugen Rochko invented ActivityPub as the base protocol for Mastodon, and therefore, Mastodon is 100% fully ActivityPub-compliant because Mastodon itself is the very definition of ActivityPub and the gold standard of ActivityPub. Some even seem convinced that all this happened in spring of 2022 because they hadn't heard of Mastodon before then.

Well, and everything that doesn't work perfectly with Mastodon and/or doesn't support all features that Mastodon has the Mastodon way, as well as everything that has features that go beyond Mastodon, is not ActivityPub-compliant and therefore broken.

A while ago, someone absolutely unironically and seriously tried to convince me that Mastodon is the only "feature-complete" Fediverse project. I was about to rattle down a list of Hubzilla features and ask him whether Mastodon has them. Unfortunately, I couldn't demonstrate them to him because that was in Mastodon 3 days when Mastodon users couldn't even see text formatting.

It's nigh-impossible to convince the hard fans and purists of the truth.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #ActivityPub