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2025-10-18 18:57:46
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Ainsley
pirarucu@flipping.rocks
On tumblr there’s kind of a running debate about alt text vs. in-post descriptions so I’m curious how Fedi users *who regularly use alt text for any reason* feel.
If a picture has no alt text or non-descriptive alt text (ie. “picture” or “bird”) but the post itself thoroughly describes the image (either in the context of the post or in a discrete image description), do you consider that better, worse, or equivalent to alt text? Or should both be used, either at once or in different contexts? All feedback is appreciated.
#alttext
#accessibility
In-post descriptions are BETTER than alt text
0 Stimmen | 0%
In-post descriptions are WORSE than alt text
3 Stimmen | 33%
No preference.
1 Stimme | 11%
Both are useful (simultaneous or situational?)
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2025-10-18 21:22:11
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Jupiter Rowland
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Ainsley
Both have their use.
On the one hand, unless you're on a Mastodon server with a very low character limit, the post gives you much more room for a detailed description. A description in the post text is easier to navigate with a screen reader: It can jump back a few words or a sentence or so whereas, when reading out an alt-text, it can only jump back to the beginning of the alt-text. And if you have to explain the image or its description, something that keeps happening to me again and again,
you can only do that in the post text, not in the alt-text
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On the other hand, if you want to be safe from the wrath of Mastodon's alt-text police, you
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Whenever I post an original image, I always describe it twice, both in the alt-text and in the post text. The description in the alt-text never contains any explanations, and it often doesn't contain any text transcripts either if there is too much text to transcribe. The description in the post always contains both (transcripts only if there's any text within the borders of the image).
When I post a meme, I only describe the visuals and transcribe the text bits in the alt-text. The post still contains all explanations, partially as external links if possible.
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2025-10-19 00:12:01
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Ainsley
pirarucu@flipping.rocks
@jupiter_rowland
Thanks for your input. I did not realize that screen readers treated alt text like that, that does sound rather inconvenient. The mastodon instance I use has a fairly forgiving character limit (5000), so I may try your method, with an alt text plus a more detailed description in the post.
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2025-10-19 11:47:15
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Jupiter Rowland
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If you really want to be on the safe side, hide the post behind a long post content warning.
In fact, I think you should do that with all your posts that exceed 500 characters even only a smidge. My experience is that other Mastodon users will mute or block you left and right otherwise. Or maybe it's just me.
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2025-10-19 10:58:54
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Aydan
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My opinion (as someone who only needs alt-text when bad internet connection and has also read what other people say about it):
- if the description is of the image and only the image and would be unecessary if you could perfectly see the image, then it should be alt text
- but if part of the description is not obvious from the image, such as numbers of a graph or the reasoning behind including the image, then it can be in-post
- and also, if Tumblr doesn't provide a way to display the alt text on-screen, such as by clicking on the image, than the discussion is slightly different
- most importantly, you can have both, like if you have a short description of a scene that you intended to be read, and then a drawing of that scene, the alt text could say something like "a drawing depicting the scene"
For people who can't see an image, not having alt-text isn't just blank space, it's a hole where something should be but they can't tell what it was. Even alt-text that seriously states that the image isn't important is theoretically better than literally no alt-text.
And all of this is just about posts to communicate things. Humour can make the "point" of an image much less clear. Art can complicate this further if, for example, the medium includes the alt-text, or if the image is actually pointless if replaced with just a description, which is saying nothing about the ethics of making inaccessible art.
And some people say they can't add alt-text because they don't have the energy or otherwise, and ultimately I don't think it's inherently A Bad Thing if someone doesn't use alt-text, it's just not perfect. As long as they are aware of why alt-text is useful and who to, and aren't actively against it, then they're just making something that is inaccesible to some people, which everyone does. This post is a bit long and written in English, for example.
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