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2025-09-08 21:00:53

pepper0@aus.social

@FediTips

The situation with #Guppe wouldn't happen if it was really decentralized aka #p2p fault tolerant tech. Like #Namecoin , .ens IPNS #IPFS, or #nostr #pubky #ZeroNet

@dandylover1
ipns://seedit.eth plebbit.com hashchan.org are interesting.

Meanwhile #Friendica
& #Hubzilla have some groups too.

also shout out to @newsmast , they host few communities, check them out.

I've tried fedigroups.social & it's hard to use, unintutive & obscure. I'm seen just a mastodon server there. And it doesn't list groups, posts inside groups, group members.

With such trend no wonder why people look back to #Usenet. However I think #XMPP is more usable (it does have groups and proto social network inside too)

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2025-09-08 22:56:42

Magical Cat

koteisaev@mastodon.online

@pepper0 @FediTips @dandylover1

When I see something-con I feel strong alert signals. Sorry, but this is part of today reality.

Wht about https://www.gnunet.org/en/ ? Their GNS sounds quite promising.
that project got NLnet grant, that mentioned here: https://www.gnunet.org/en/news/2025-08-NGI-Entrust-GNS-TLDs-Update.html

2025-09-09 10:22:11

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Decenta Lyzed

Meanwhile #Friendica
& #Hubzilla have some groups too.

Friendica has groups. Hubzilla has groups called "forums". Both have had groups for longer than Mastodon has even been around.

(streams), a fork of a fork of three forks of a fork (of a fork?) of Hubzilla created and still maintained by Friendica's and Hubzilla's own creator, has groups.

Forte, a fork of (streams) by the same developer again, has groups.

All four are in the Fediverse. All four are federated with Mastodon (Hubzilla optionally and off by default, (streams) optionally and on by default, Friendica and Forte always). By the way, this comment comes from Hubzilla.

For self-hosters: All four are written in PHP, and they require no more than a LAMP stack. But if you don't know them, e.g. if all you know in the Fediverse is Mastodon, I recommend you try them out on a public server before setting up your own one. They're all very different from Mastodon in a lot of ways. Don't just expect Mastodon with groups because that's far from what they are.

Here are several tables that compare the features of Mastodon, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte.

How they work

A Friendica group is an account with special settings. Likewise, a Hubzilla forum or a (streams) or Forte group is a channel with special settings.

Speaking in Mastodon terms, what they do is take incoming posts and automatically boost them to all their followers.

An exception exists on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte themselves: If you're there, you must send a DM to the forum/group. Public posts to a group/forum are not forwarded, only DMs are. This ensures that a group/forum doesn't forward any and all posts that happen to mention it.

FLOSS

Friendica is open-source (https://github.com/friendica) and under the GNU Affero GPL v3.

Hubzilla is open-source (https://framagit.org/hubzilla/core) and under the MIT license.

(streams) is open-source (https://codeberg.org/streams/streams) and in the public domain.

Forte is open-source (https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte) and under the MIT license.

Character limits

The character limit on Friendica and Hubzilla is over 16.7 million.

The character limit on (streams) and Forte is over 24 million.

Nobody will run out of characters anytime soon, no matter from where they post. However, this also means that neither of the four has Mastodon's character-limit-induced culture of brevity.

Moderation

Friendica groups can be co-moderated/co-administrated by users on the same server as the group.

Hubzilla forums, (streams) groups and Forte groups can be co-moderated/co-administrated by anyone on Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte.

Two of the public (streams) and Forte group types allow for new content to be moderated: Any new post or comment must be manually approved by the moderators. In both cases, this is mainly for new members. Trustworthy members can be permitted to post or comment immediately.

Privacy and security

Friendica groups, Hubzilla forums, (streams) groups and Forte groups can optionally be hidden from directories and made "secret".

Friendica groups can optionally be set to private, i.e. non-members can't see the group profile, the member list or what's going on in the group.

On Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte, the profile, the member list and the stream can be reduced in visibility separately from each other. You can make the group profile public, and at the same time, you can only permit group members to see the member list and/or the stream.

Hubzilla offers eight levels of permission for seeing the forum's main profile, additional profiles that can only be seen by members/certain members, eight levels of permission for seeing the forum's member list and eight levels of permission for seeing the forum stream. One level of permission depends on individual permissions for certain members granted by contact role.

(streams) and Forte offer four group types, one of which is private, four levels of permission for seeing the group's member list and four levels of permission for seeing the group stream. The non-public levels can be overridden by granting individual permissions to certain members.

(streams) and Forte also offer the same four levels of permission plus overrides for searching the group stream.

Note: It may not be possible to join a private group/forum with an account on Mastodon or anything else that isn't one of these four. Public groups/forums can be joined by anyone (unless they're blocked, of course).

Resilience

Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte offer nomadic identity, i.e. the forum/group channel can exist simultaneously on multiple servers as live, hot, bidirectional backups of each other. If one server goes down, the forum/group lives on on the other server(s).

Something like this has been announced by Bluesky as a new and revolutionary technology. Bluesky has yet to deliver. Hubzilla has had this technology since 2012.

Downside: Server software that doesn't understand nomadic identity, i.e. everything except Hubzilla, (streams), Forte and at least the development branch of Mitra, sees the instances of a cloned, nomadic channel as multiple individual, independent accounts.

CC: @Fedi.Tips

CC so that everyone else in this thread will read this, even if they're on Mastodon (I wouldn't have to do this if the whole Fediverse supported threaded conversations, and everyone got this automatically anyway, but I don't want to post this several times over because someone on Mastodon hasn't received it due to Mastodon's intentional, by-design limitations): @Georgiana Brummell @Magical Cat @Michael Gisiger :mastodon: @LucileDT @Glowing Cat of the Nuclear Wastelands @AlsoPaisleyCat @Zeroday Podcast (stefan) @mtjm @amy

Also:

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Twitter = Retweet
Mastodon = Boost

Twitter = Like
Mastodon = Fave

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups

2025-09-11 01:05:37

Niko Trimmel

nitrml@tyrol.social

@pepper0 @FediTips
Piefed and Lemmy are literally designed for fediverse groups, wouldn't they be the most obvious choice for a replacement of guppe groups?
@dandylover1 @newsmast@newsmast.social