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2025-08-17 00:37:02

benpate@mastodon.social

I stumbled onto a cool, forgotten word: #Fungible

"(of a product or commodity) replaceable by another identical item; mutually interchangeable."

I think the Fediverse needs #FungibleHosting and #FungibleAccounts so that user accounts (and even whole server instances) can be easily backed up and ported to a new location with minimal effort.

What would it take to accomplish this?

2025-08-17 00:38:42

Gary Parker :party_porg:

WiteWulf@cyberplace.social

@benpate errr, have you not heard of the (hugely successful 😀) NFTs?

2025-08-17 01:17:51

Mike P

FenTiger@mastodon.social

@benpate Can we call it the #Fungiverse? ;)

2025-08-17 01:19:42

Contraquestão

cochise@social.subversida.de

@benpate we already have a common way to move profiles and followings. We have a tool that can import and export the post history
https://github.com/VyrCossont/slurp
This need the target server to allow status creation with a past date.
It's not perfect. Replies to the old account are not imported, because they are from other people.
This steps can be automated for a better UX.

Hubzilla have, since always, nomad identity, where the identity isn't tied to a domain, but to a criptographic key, and a identity can point to more than one server, one acting as fallback from other. This allow true "fungible" identity, because changing you domain don't break old conversations and is transparent, automatic.
There where a FEP trying to implement this in AP and webfinger, but I don't know the cures status.

2025-08-17 01:22:32

Contraquestão

cochise@social.subversida.de

@benpate https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/ef61/fep-ef61.md cc @silverpill

2025-08-17 01:30:41

Ben Pate 🤘🏻

benpate@mastodon.social

Hey, thanks for both of these links!

I wasn't aware of "slurp" and will dig into it deeper.

I've looked through FEP-ef61 in the past, and will give it another go. I think I struggled to see how this would be compatible with Mastodon, or other servers without them requiring a pretty big rewrite to support portable objects.

I think the gold standard would be a few clicks for the user, fast sync between servers, and minimal requirements on other servers to track the move.

@cochise

2025-08-17 08:31:00

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Ben Pate 🤘🏻

I've looked through FEP-ef61 in the past, and will give it another go. I think I struggled to see how this would be compatible with Mastodon, or other servers without them requiring a pretty big rewrite to support portable objects.

It won't. Especially not with Mastodon.

At the very least, they would have to start to understand portable objects and the concept of nomadic identity, e.g. that jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu and jupiter_rowland@hub.hubzilla.de may be on two different accounts, but the exact same channel with the exact same identity, the exact same connections, the exact same content etc.

Mastodon has been flipping the bird both at the ActivityPub standard and at FEPs and at the whole rest of the Fediverse since it was made. Eugen Rochko has been trying to EEE the Fediverse since he created Mastodon, the very same thing that people on Mastodon feared that Threads would do. The only time he ever makes compromises is when he is put under pressure by even more powerful players like Automattic or Flipboard, and even then he only throws them tiny bones.

As @Mike Macgirvin ?️ gradually built his nomadic and ActivityPub-based Forte from his own nomadic and Nomad-based streams repository (itself a Hubzilla descendant), and as @silverpill started making his non-nomadic and ActivityPub-based Mitra nomadic, their goal was to expand ActivityPub into something that supports nomadic identity via FEPs and, at the same time, make their own software compatible to these FEPs.

Their goal was not to make their software and these FEPs fully compatible with the Fediverse as it was in 2023/2024 and especially not to build them against Mastodon as it was in 2023/2024 or as it is now.

Especially Mike would never build anything explicitly against Mastodon. Rather, he'd make it possible to block Mastodon from an entire (streams) or Forte server, and he did. To Mike, Mastodon is not the heart and the core and the centre of the Fediverse around everything else orbits and justifiedly so. He rather sees it as a nuisance.

Seriously, nothing that Mike has created will ever be fully compatible with Mastodon, not as long as Mastodon's politics don't change greatly. I mean, client-side support for Mike's own OpenWebAuth magic sign-on was proposed for Mastodon. It went as far as an actual merge request in 2023. They core devs never even looked at that merge request, much less merged it. They silently rejected it.

@Contraquestão

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Mitra #NomadicIdentity #FEP_ef61

2025-08-17 01:32:42

Ben Pate 🤘🏻

benpate@mastodon.social

And: let's do that for instances, too.

Let's work out #FungibleHosting so that an instance owner could just up and move their instance from one hosting provider to another in an afternoon.

In theory, it could be the same import/export data format, but for the whole instance instead of for a single user.

@cochise