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2026-08-29 20:29:47

sb@metroholografix.ca

Which #fedi instances have a hard-line stance against #genAI to the point where they are exceptionally careful about the state of the OS the instance is running on?

2026-09-06 10:51:56

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@sb the chippy-choppy There won't be many left. Depending on how staunchly and extremely anti-AI you and (aspiring) server admins are, there won't be any left. Because it's technically impossible to set up a Fediverse server with absolutely no AI code underneath whatsoever.

The Linux mainline kernel itself contains AI code now. It's officially allowed as long as it's disclosed as such. Thus, you will have to avoid literally all servers running on Linux.

https://docs.kernel.org/process/coding-assistants.html

https://www.neowin.net/news/linus-torvalds-declares-massive-ai-fueled-code-surges-as-the-new-normal-for-linux/

NetBSD has very strict rules regarding AI-generated code. But it doesn't rule AI-generated code out out of principle because it's AI-generated; it only wants to be safe that nothing that's actually GPL-licensed is slipped in. So, if you're an 100%, ultra-hardcode anti-AI extremist, avoid what few servers run on NetBSD.

https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html

OpenBSD contains AI-generated code, too. And it has no official stance regarding it. So servers running on OpenBSD are taboo, too.

https://www.osnews.com/story/144935/openbsd-and-slopcode-raindrop-to-a-torrent/

FreeBSD has no stance on AI whatsoever that I could find. However, apparently, the FreeBSD community loves to integrate Claude Code into their systems for automation purposes:

https://aumont.fr/posts/claude-code-freebsd/

https://discoverbsd.com/p/8a7660c31b

But you'll also have to look at the userland, the Web server, the database driver etc.

MariaDB allows AI code. You can safely assume that all MySQL databases on Web servers out there are actually powered by MariaDB.

https://mariadb.org/governance/governance-ai-policy/

Oracle MySQL can integrate AI, so it's safe to assume it contains AI-generated code.

https://blogs.oracle.com/mysql/announcing-mysql-ai

PostgreSQL probably allows AI code, too. There are even tools for it.

https://github.com/timescale/pg-aiguide

SQLite is very popular amongst AI users while not having any rules on AI-generated code. Assume it to be tainted.

This leaves you with only one choice: Self-hosting a personal, single-user snac2 server because snac2 doesn't need any database whatsoever. In fact, snac2 is staunchly against AI. And it runs on NetBSD.

https://codeberg.org/grunfink/snac2

But then there's the Web server. Apache may allow AI-generated code if it has been reviewed and made sure that it does not contain anything that's incompatible with the Apache-2.0 license.

https://www.apache.org/legal/generative-tooling.html

nginx welcomes AI and advertises itself as ready for AI, and it takes no anti-AI-code stance. It's most likely already tainted.

https://www.f5.com/de_de/products/nginx.

This basically leaves you with no Web server guaranteed to be 100% free from AI-generated code to run snac2 on. But that doesn't matter because it's impossible to build a Web server devoid of any AI code to install snac2 on.

By the way: Mastodon itself explicitly allows AI code if it's disclosed as such, and if its contributor understands it.

https://github.com/mastodon/.github/blob/main/AI_POLICY.md

In other words, next to all Mastodon servers are running

AI-generated Mastodon code
on an AI-generated Web server
with an AI-generated database driver
on an AI-generated operating system kernel

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Linux #FreeBSD #OpenBSD #NetBSD #Apache #nginx #MySQL #MariaDB #PostgreSQL #SQLite #Mastodon #snac2 #AI #LLM #LLMs #GenAI #NoAI #AntiAI #AntiLLM

2026-09-06 14:52:29

sb the chippy-choppy

sb@metroholografix.ca

@jupiter_rowland
This is an exceptional, and stupendously informational post! Thank you for taking the time to lay it all out

2026-09-06 14:54:30

sb the chippy-choppy

sb@metroholografix.ca

@jupiter_rowland
This is exactly why I've been saying "we cannot trust ANYTHING anymore". It's because that's what the fuck is up. This is why I'm shuttering ALL my public servers.

2026-09-06 15:58:08

Love

love@thistlenfern.org

@jupiter_rowland I won’t use oracle because of Ellison.

I’m cutting big tech not just their AI. 💕

2026-09-07 11:50:42

The Real Grunfink

grunfink@comam.es

Because it's technically impossible to set up a Fediverse server with absolutely no AI code underneath whatsoever

Well, that's not totally exact. I'm the main developer of the #snac ActivityPub server (and web client) and I'm actively against any AI or LLM. This is a line in the CONTRIBUTING.md file:

PRs, diff patches and bug reports must not incorporate any material generated by or with the assistance of any so-called "generative AI" tool or LLM.

I've never used a so-called AI in my life and will never do.

If I recall correctly, the Gotosocial Fediverse software also have a very clear position in this topic (i.e. no AI).

You're very right in the OS positions regarding LLMs, sadly. The nearest to what I approve is NetBSD, but it's not totally clean.

2026-09-07 12:01:16

Michael Boelen

mboelen@mastodon.social

@grunfink
The digital asbestos/PFAS is in here now. Also, we will never be able to fully remove it, even if we wanted 🙄
@jupiter_rowland

2026-09-07 12:15:54

Giacomo Tesio

giacomo@snac.tesio.it

@grunfink@comam.es

Well, now I think about it, it could be possible to hack #snac to run on a #9front machine.

@jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

2026-09-07 14:21:43

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@The Real Grunfink Hubzilla is against AI-generated code in the core, too. AI-generated third-party add-ons exist, but they're in third-party repositories.

However, what people are looking for is a full software stack that's as 100% completely devoid of any and all AI-generated code as it used to be five years ago.

And they're not willing to make any compromises. Much, much less even than the opponents against Wayland, PipeWire, PulseAudio, systemd, KDE since version 4, Canonical, anything that isn't licensed under any version of the GPL or any software that has ever gone through Richard M. Stallman's hands.

Even if it's possible to use Fediverse server software that's guaranteed to be 100% devoid of AI code and remain so forever, there's no kernel, no userland, no Web server and no database server (which most Fediverse server applications need) that's guaranteed to be 100% devoid of AI code and remain so forever.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #AI #LLM #LLMs #NoAI #AntiAI

2026-09-08 11:41:32

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hey@voidq.xyz

That's the way i like 👍

CC: @jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu