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Wed, 19 Oct 2022 01:43:19 +0200

Gargron@mastodon.social

In my opinion there's nothing you can't do with #ActivityPub. You want DIDs? You could do DIDs. You want "curation and moderation" to be a separate layer? You can do that. You want "big world" networking? You can add that. Do not confuse what implementers have chosen to do so far with what the protocol is capable of. #ATP

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Wed, 19 Oct 2022 01:44:13 +0200

writehere.is

writehere@writing.exchange

@Gargron whats bluesky? i heard its getting cancelled, and it affects activitypub somehow thx!

Wed, 19 Oct 2022 01:45:10 +0200

Eugen Rochko

Gargron@mastodon.social

It feels like in large parts #ATP is congruent with what the fediverse has to offer, but is different for the sake of being different. I also think that it’s hard to judge a protocol without a real world application. There are some design choices in #ATP that make me feel like they might be awkward to implement in practice.

Wed, 19 Oct 2022 01:48:37 +0200

🐧 Jonathan Treffler 🇺🇦🇵🇸

JonathanTreffler@gruene.social

@Gargron

The fact they felt the need to create another protocol instead of using, improving and contributing to ActivityPub makes me think they want to bake a busines model for themselves into the technology and they can't do that if they don't have full control over the spec.
But we'll see.

Wed, 19 Oct 2022 05:14:31 +0200

karmanyaahm

karmanyaahm@social.linux.pizza

@Gargron it would be awesome if you could implement post migration to remove the biggest concern that people have of activitypub

Wed, 19 Oct 2022 08:31:04 +0200

Nemo_bis 🌈

nemobis@mamot.fr

@Gargron What's ATP? I find AppleTalk Transaction Protocol, Autonomous Transport Protocol. Did they intentionally choose a name that makes the specs impossible to find? :)

Wed, 19 Oct 2022 09:40:35 +0200

Fedizen4

titi@barcelona.social

@nemobis #Tzag :) Link to #ATP #Bluesky news: https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/10-18-2022-the-at-protocol

Wed, 19 Oct 2022 10:20:29 +0200

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Fedizen4 @Eugen ? The website mentions no license anywhere, it doesn't even hint at freedom or openness.

If #ATP will indeed be free and open, it's a case of people still not knowing that #ActivityPub and the #Fediverse exist and therefore wanting to reinvent the wheel from scratch. See also the many attempts at creating a #FLOSS #federated #socialnetwork even though #GNUsocial and #Mistpark, now #Friendica, already existed. See also when Tim Berners-Lee wanted to create the federated social Web from scratch after @Mike Macgirvin had already released about half a dozen federated social Web platforms, not to mention #Mastodon having millions of users. He simply didn't know any of this existed.

If it won't, chances are the makers do know about ActivityPub and the Fediverse, but they want to replace it with something proprietary, closed-source and commercial, take the Fediverse away from the community and put it fully under control of a corporate entity. In this case, the problem may be that #Bluesky has an advertising and PR budget, and the people behind ActivityPub, Mastodon and the other Fediverse platforms don't.

Wed, 19 Oct 2022 11:27:16 +0200

marius

mariusor@metalhead.club

@Gargron someone on HN pointed out Solid from Tim Berner Lee, and I see a better chance for interoperability there because it uses ActivityStreams as an foundational ontology. I remember hearing about it when it launched, but they seem to have made good progress (at least documentation wise).

https://solidproject.org/developers/vocabularies/well-known

Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:29:12 +0200

Eugen Rochko

Gargron@mastodon.social

I can't help but feel cynical about the incentives here. If your team receives $13M in funding, are you going to assess existing ecosystems and conclude that other people are already doing adequate work and there's not much for you to do there? #Bluesky #ATP

Thu, 20 Oct 2022 10:34:03 +0200

Colin Devroe

cdevroe@mastodon.social

@Gargron Are there parts of #ATP that _you_ think merit adding to ActivityPub?

Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:41:35 +0200

Erwin Ernst eest9 Steinhammer

eest9@chaos.social

@Gargron They assessed, but probably they panicked since they saw that all they wanted to invent already exists in a very congruent way?

Fri, 21 Oct 2022 02:46:35 +0200

Parnikkapore

Parnikkapore@mastodon.social

@Gargron I'd say literature reviews / evaluating existing solutions on Bluesky's vision is still something they can spend the budget on

Fri, 21 Oct 2022 18:35:56 +0200

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Eugen ? Of course not. If what you're doing is funded by venture capital, you create a proprietary, closed-source, commercial solution and try your best to extinguish the #FLOSS competition.

Sat, 29 Oct 2022 15:11:18 +0200

Nemo_bis 🌈

nemobis@mamot.fr

@Gargron Now #Twitter wants to "copy" content warnings (self "ratings"). They could just spend 13 M€ on a migration plan from their current codebase to #Mastodon and be done with it. :)
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-provide-choice-different-versions-twitter-2022-10-29/

Sun, 06 Nov 2022 05:09:39 +0100

Markus Eicher

MarkusEicher@fosstodon.org

@Gargron Hello Eugen. Are there any plans to add E2E encryption and private messaging? I guess not.