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2024-11-10 20:38:47

ErikJonker@mastodon.social

I am wondering about Bluesky , Mastodon and Threads. After Mastodon I am now also trying Bluesky which "feels" nice , also the atmosphere is positive. But on a technical level I think Bluesky may be a dead end. When threads gets serious with federating/connecting to the Fediverse, together with Mastodon, Fediverse/activitypub will have more mass. Bluesky has chosen a different protocol sadly.
Any thoughts or opinions?
#fediverse #mastodon #activitypub #bluesky #socialmedia #threads

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2024-11-10 20:41:21

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

rysiek@mstdn.social

@ErikJonker well you've probably seen my blogpost on this linked to a bunch of times, but since you're asking…
https://rys.io/en/167.html

One caveat: this is now over a year old, and some things have changed. I don't believe they have changed substantially enough for this blogpost to not remain relevant, but flagging that anyway.

2024-11-10 20:47:30

Laure

LaureM@federate.social

@ErikJonker I like BlueSky a lot with a lot of expert individuals and some news orgs. But I had to temporarily delete the app due to a lot of hot takes and hysteria making me needlessly anxious and really missing different angles of analysis.

But you’re right seeing @barackobama threads here etc shows that mega influencers and news accounts will likely be here more.

2024-11-10 20:52:27

Paul Schoonhoven 🍉 🍋

vosje62@mastodon.nl

@ErikJonker try both threads and mastodon.
I think lots of media want to be with Meta on the end. $$$)

For me mastodon works fine. I think it will be around for a very long time.
'Federated' is the future, I think.

2024-11-10 21:01:29

Wim Pelgrim

wimpelgrim@mastodon.education

@ErikJonker I think Bluesky is rather boring, less activity and interesting people and organizations.

2024-11-10 21:14:18

Joris ??

Jorisvda@mas.to

@ErikJonker Bluesky really has the feel of the old Twitter, the way it works. Also it seems to have the momentum. Activity is really rising and I see lots of well-known accounts from Twitter showing up there now. So far, the atmosphere is pretty good too. I don't know Threads... I plan to stay away from that one.

2024-11-10 21:16:03

Klemens

klemens@mastodon.social

@ErikJonker I use the App Openvibe, reading posts from Mastodon, Bluesky and Threads.

I mostly comment, post / repost to Mastodon and preferably follow people on Mastodon (unfollow on the other two), if they cross post.

ActivityPub has not only Mastodon, but Flipboard, Wordpress and soon Ghost posts in the timeline, more to come. So I think #ActivityPub is the future.

2024-11-10 21:18:02

housedogspacebirb

housedogpartyfavor@mastodon.me.uk

@ErikJonker The meta/facebook aspect of threads guarantees I will never have a threads account and will probably never be on a mastodon instance that federates to threads.

2024-11-10 21:21:52

Silner

57688a3f4e7f3028bc7c19f4c3f03b1a8e042cb2d27e5b082577f9780eb43aad@mostr.pub

Well outlier technologies almost never survive.

CDC
MINIDISC
Jazz drives
Firewire

... All the way back to the recording Drum

They were all better than the majority and they all lost.

And BlueSky isn't even technically better. So I'd say it has no chance long term, unless it changes course and federates.

2024-11-10 23:16:24

David :SetouchiExplorer:

David@setouchi.social

@ErikJonker I wrote my opinions as a blog post a few weeks ago (I may need to update a thing or two):

https://www.liminalweb.site/life-after-twitter-micro-blogging-in-2024/

2024-11-10 23:16:49

Open Risk

openrisk@mastodon.social

@ErikJonker #mastodon as the prime #activitypub server emulating twitter has been around for much longer than the #bluesky / #atproto venture.

Yet the later has significantly higher momentum (it is better engineered and there is confluence of demographics (US), political events and centralized governance that more effectively targets twitter refugees).

The #fediverse on the other hand is more genuine "web 3" but since no other server type has seen adoption this is still rather theoretical.

2024-11-10 23:29:24

Hartmut Neubauer

agrinova@social.cologne

@ErikJonker For the fediverse and Bluesky you can use a bridge, but it's benefit is limited because it's strictly opt-in. From the fediverse: @bsky.brid.gy , from bluesky: @ap.brid.gy .

2024-11-11 02:53:45

Lee 🌏

MrLee@aus.social

@ErikJonker
Bluesky feels simpler, tighter, more together than Mastodon, and really, that's going to be good enough to persuade most people. Mastodon is more complex, a bit glitchy, a bit less responsive. None of that matters to me because I understand the value of a good open protocol. Most people don't. There is nothing stopping Bluesky turning into Twitter. That can't happen in the Fediverse.

2024-11-11 07:19:07

sbi

sbi@toot.berlin

@ErikJonker This is not a technical problem, but a social an political one

2024-11-12 05:00:13

Frank Heijkamp

alterelefant@mastodontech.de

@housedogpartyfavor @ErikJonker A lot of #fediverse instances I know have already excluded Meta. Most instances actually sent out a survey to find out what people wanted and in basically all cases people preferred to not federated with Threads.

2024-11-12 06:08:02

Frank Heijkamp

alterelefant@mastodontech.de

@housedogpartyfavor Also the instance I am on does not federate with Threads and I have seen many more doing the same thing. They all keep Meta out.

2024-11-12 06:32:42

Jürgen Hubert

juergen_hubert@thefolklore.cafe

@ErikJonker _Will_ Threads get serious with federating and connecting to the Fediverse, though?

I am beginning to have my doubts - it has been so long.

2024-11-12 15:18:34

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Frank Heijkamp @housedogpartyfavor @Erik Jonker Also, let's not forget Threads' very strict rules for instances wanting to connect.

If Threads actually checked all connecting instances and not only those with at least 1,000 monthly active users (or so is my impression), it would block all public instances of at least Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte now and forever and many personal or otherwise restricted instances along with them.

For example, Threads absolutely requires a publicly-visible federated timeline. All three can theoretically have a so-called public stream; it can be switched between local and federated, and its visibility can be configurated to e.g. fully public, only accessible to users who can be identified and recognised as logged in (for external users, this requires OpenWebAuth magic single sign-on) or only accessible to local users. But it's fully optional which means that it can be off entirely.

And in fact, the public stream is off by default. Not only that, but public hubs generally keep it off. Special-interest instances may turn it on for local users, and personal, single-user instances may make it public, but restrict it to local. But no halfway competent admin activates an unrestricted federated public stream.

That's because it's difficult to keep in check what happens on the public stream. No instance of any of these three has 24/7 moderation that can manually step in and remove content from the pubstream within minutes or even seconds. And in fact, all three encourage their users to moderate themselves and their own channels and streams and empower them by giving them many more tools for self-moderation than Mastodon. Thus, not even the biggest Hubzilla hubs have moderators.

But at the same time, the owner of the instance can be held legally accountable for what happens on the public stream because, from a legal point of view, it happens on their website. Let something illegal be sent to a channel on a hub, and the hub admin is in trouble.

The only safe way to prevent this trouble is by not having a freely-accessible federated public stream. The very same freely-accessible federated public stream that's an absolute requirement for being allowed to connect to Threads.

So in theory, Hubzilla, (streams) and fledgling Forte, which is only one single private instance with one user right now, should be blocked on Threads in their entirety, right?

In practice, AFAIK, only the two biggest Hubzilla hubs, Netzgemeinde and hub.hubzilla.de, are blocked. They're the only ones with over 1,000 MAUs. All the other hubs get a free pass, and I've yet to see a single (streams) instance on Threads' blocklist.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Threads

2024-11-12 15:49:44

Frank Heijkamp

alterelefant@mastodontech.de

@jupiter_rowland Thank you for this long read and explaining these details.

2024-11-13 09:31:40

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@housedogpartyfavor And you can theoretically use Threads' rules to make Threads block itself from your instance.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Threads