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2025-02-07 01:31:58

mercymorbid@yiff.life

So I guess Annwyn and I are shopping for a tandem account now, and we're curious about #fediverse software that isn't Mastodon. Or at least I am. I know some people use #akkoma and others use #misskey and the Friendica isn't real. I'm curious as to what people's experiences are with these platforms.

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2025-02-07 01:35:42

@Mercy is now Mercy Again What would you like to know about #friendica ?

2025-02-07 02:07:37

Mercy is now Mercy Again

mercymorbid@yiff.life

Maybe we should just find a cool misskey instance and poke around. See if we like it.

2025-02-07 02:37:01

@Mercy is now Mercy Again Don't forget to check out some of the forks as well, Calkey, Sharkey... I think there's at least one or two, @Fedi.Tips can you help me out on that?

2025-02-07 09:30:52

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@🌴 Seph 💭 👾 @Mercy is now Mercy Again

Calckey is deader than dead. It was forked into Firefish in 2023. Only few instances are still alive because their admins refused to move them to Firefish, and their numbers are dwindling further.
Firefish itself is dead. Official support and development ended on New Year's Eve. This month, the official server with the code repository and the lighthouse instance is scheduled to be shut down.
Sharkey is the most feature-rich. But first of all, its Mastodon client API implementation is said to be notoriously horrible. It seems to be difficult to connect it to a Mastodon app. Its developers are kind of shady; ask @Linux Is Best a.k.a. @Linux Is Best. Lastly, Sharkey's development is cosying up to Mastodon; the goal is to make it more like Mastodon. Not everyone likes that.
CherryPick is sometimes recommended. But it's a Japanese project just like Misskey itself, and AFAIK, except for one instance in the USA, all CherryPick instances are hosted in the greater Tokyo and Seoul areas.
A more common recommendation is Iceshrimp, and it seems to have the brightest future. It will soon no longer be a Misskey fork. It's currently being re-written from scratch in C# which appears to be the best way to get rid of the many issues that all Forkeys have inherited from Misskey. Its only "disadvantages" may be fewer features than Sharkey (but still more than Misskey) and its coming reliance on "Microsoft technology".

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Sharkey #CherryPick #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp.NET

2025-02-07 09:44:21

Mercy is now Mercy Again

mercymorbid@yiff.life

@jupiter_rowland @vextaur o...k...

That's a great summary of development history but it doesn't really tell me what the user experience is like on any of these platforms other than it might be difficult to connect Sharkey to a Mastodon app.

Curious what makes the devs of Sharkey "shady."

2025-02-07 11:43:48

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Mercy is now Mercy Again

Curious what makes the devs of Sharkey "shady."

Again, ask @Linux Is Best a.k.a. @Linux Is Best.

For example, they've collected crowdfunding money to buy a machine to be used as a Sharkey-related server. And then they only used it as a Minecraft server instead. And that's only one example. I can't rattle down the whole history. Linux_is_best can.

As for the user experience on at least some of them, ask @crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Sharkey

2025-02-07 11:57:00

crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts

crossgolf_rebel@moppels.bar

@mercymorbid@yiff.life I use the previous version of #IceShrimp, a Misskey fork.
I first switched because of the more characters and then learnt to love all the little things that the Misskey family has to offer.
Most of the stuff I have is in German. But maybe the video about #Sharkey will help you
https://youtu.be/fQ4Xm92vcq8

and my Channel https://tube.tchncs.de/c/tutorial/videos also in german

2025-02-07 16:23:39

Linux Is Best

Linux@mastodon.au

@jupiter_rowland

Sharkey tricked their user-base to gift them roughly 2,000 bucks for a server, they said would be used for the project. They used it to play Minecraft and 4 months later, the server was pulled and kept as their new home PC. At the same time, after everyone complained, they announced they were under "new" management (wink, wink). The Join Sharkey website is still offline.

They spend a good amount of their free time trolling people. Especially whenever you bring up what they've said and done. When backed into a corner, they will wrongfully claim that person is anti-LGBTQ. They have also DOX someone.

At one point, they wanted more money to become a corporation. People kept asking why not a non-profit, but no true answer was ever given.

The development itself, has experienced a few issues lasting months, that took down other people servers. There is still a random 502 bug they've never been able to solve (doesn't happen often, but you may notice it).

I can go on and on, but if you like the software, that's fine. I'll admit, it's got some cool feature. But I would not trust the dev team with any personal information and never donate anything.

2025-02-07 16:25:42

Linux Is Best

Linux@mastodon.au

@jupiter_rowland

2 of 2

The Official Sharkey Development account, which they've used to troll people with, they started over.

Sharkey supports importing post, and to hide their growing list of bad press, when they relocated to yet another site, they decided to start fresh..

2025-02-07 16:27:09

Linux Is Best

Linux@mastodon.au

2025-02-07 17:24:38

Mercy is now Mercy Again

mercymorbid@yiff.life

@jupiter_rowland I'm just incredibly suspicious of anyone calling the devs of any fedi fork "shady" and telling me to talk to someone else for the details.

I've seen a lot of people rattle off on reasons such and such person is bad only for there to be very little evidence and/or missing context. And the accusation you just made feels like its missing some context.

Overall it feels like I'm being dragged into a dev conflict which is not what I wanted to happen.

2025-02-07 17:28:42

Mercy is now Mercy Again

mercymorbid@yiff.life

@Linux You gonna give me the rundown here or just retoot me asking about an accusation someone else made out of context?

You folks aren't inspiring faith in your ability as a souce rn.

2025-02-07 19:08:55

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Mercy is now Mercy Again

I'm just incredibly suspicious of anyone calling the devs of any fedi fork "shady" and telling me to talk to someone else for the details.

That's because @Linux Is Best has only mentioned me in reply, not you. Here are the replies I've received shortly before this one of yours:

Linux Is Best schrieb den folgenden Beitrag Fri, 07 Feb 2025 16:23:39 +0100

Linux Is Best schrieb den folgenden Beitrag Fri, 07 Feb 2025 16:27:09 +0100

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #QuotePost #QuoteTweet #QuoteToot #QuoteBoost #Sharkey

2025-02-07 19:21:02

Mercy is now Mercy Again

mercymorbid@yiff.life

@jupiter_rowland Ok that is a lot of accusations, and they admittedly sound bad.

emphasis on "sound" because so far the only "proof" I have is in a fucking JSON file.

I am really regretting this whole venture. Instead of "I use x software cause it lets me do y" I got a dev history summary and a bunch of posts about drama that really aren't helpful and are just putting a bad taste in my mouth.

I'm just gonna do my own fucking research and maybe try a misskey server out. Or maybe even a Sharkey one.

Or maybe I'll just drop the whole thing, keep using Mastodon, and never ask for anyone's opinion ever again. This has been exceedingly unhelpful and quite baffling.

2025-02-08 19:04:03

Amber

puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social

@mercymorbid@yiff.life you’re more than welcome to play around on this instance (it runs sharkey a fork of misskey with a lot of improvements)

2025-02-08 19:05:15

Amber

puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social

@jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu You do know sharkey’s prior maintainer is no longer around? The project changed leadership and is part of open collective where you can audit finances.

2025-02-08 19:06:20

Amber

puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social

@jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu I have no idea where you get the idea that we are cozying up to mastodon. I want the mastodon api to be fixed up so that we can support mastodon clients. That’s the only thing, mastodon recently added a feature similar to ours (the alt text popup).

2025-02-09 09:32:59

Daniel de Kay

danieldekay@masto.ai

@jupiter_rowland @vextaur

Interesting to see the dynamics in that part of the fediverse compared to the relative stability (or boringness) of the “Zot” lineage of the ‘verse?

2025-02-09 10:14:25

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Daniel de Kay @🌴 Seph 💭 👾 The *keys simply have many more users. This means they have many more potential developers. This means they have many more people who say, "I don't like it the way it is, the devs won't make it the way I want it to be, so I'm going to fork it." There are dozens of Misskey forks and Misskey fork forks.

In the Friendica family, it's almost a wonder that Friendica and Hubzilla have found new maintainers. Every last fork in the family, and there were quite a lot, was made by Mike himself. After the streams repository was created, the family had eight members, six of which were officially maintained by Mike. Even though three were identical in all but branding.

Granted, there were few reasons for users to fork anything made by Mike. What would they have wanted? As many features as possible, much like Sharkey? Well, Hubzilla already covers that. All-new features? No need to fork an entire project. All of them from Mistpark to Forte were and are modular and can be expanded with third-party add-ons, so you can simply make an add-on and put it into your own third-party repository, and admins can add your repository to their servers. Reduce the number of features? Do that on an admin level and disable add-ons.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)

2025-02-09 16:55:23

Daniel de Kay

danieldekay@masto.ai

@jupiter_rowland @vextaur

are there any plugins or addons that are not shipping with the core?

2025-02-09 19:28:56

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Daniel de Kay Not to my knowledge. 3rd-party themes, yes, but no apps or widgets.