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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 13:30:44 +0200
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Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
https://cdn.masto.host/socialwildeboernet/media_attachments/files/112/320/302/889/571/624/original/84d29c8328bc7d3b.mp4
What happens when every time your browser sends data to a tracker it makes a beep sound? Well,
@bert_hubert
did just that. And it sounds like you are listening to an old school modem. Creepy stuff!
https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/tracker-beeper/
84d29c8328bc7d3b.mp4
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 13:36:42 +0200
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Mostafa Hussein Omar
moftasa@mastodon.online
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
now run it with ublock origin installed and enabled!
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:02:24 +0200
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Bryan Smart
bryansmart@mstdn.social
@jwildeboer
@remixman
@bert_hubert
Why are web pages slow? Every time you blink your eyes, 1,000 trackers have to phone home.
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:07:37 +0200
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Enrico "meldrian" Michaelis
meldrian@social.tchncs.de
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
Oh!
Ooh!!
Give it that Geiger counter tick sound instead!!!
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:17:35 +0200
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GhostOnTheHalfShell
GhostOnTheHalfShell@masto.ai
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
So at the Google search bar, they are raiding your home.
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:22:18 +0200
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Fartsy McFart
soursaltyfatso@techhub.social
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
I wonder what would happen if he didn't accept tracking on the pop up. Suspecting, not much would change
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:51:19 +0200
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Maurice
mauricerenck@mastodon.online
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
I know why there is a pi-hole running in my network. Although I wish this wouldn’t be necessary.
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:56:35 +0200
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Tomi the Slav and 1024 others
po3mah@mastodon.social
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
percentage of queries blocked due to ads and trackers
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 16:29:28 +0200
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Harry Wood
harry_wood@en.osm.town
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
Sounds a bit like you're loading the web page off a 5¼" floppy drive
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 16:41:43 +0200
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Bernard
SchepBernard@mastodon.social
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
2 weeks ago i started using a dashcam app on my smartphone. It called out so frequently whilst being blocked by duckduckgo's app tracking protection that my smartphone drained battery and shut down overheated. Lesson learned: app tracking protection works
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 16:50:48 +0200
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GhostOnTheHalfShell
GhostOnTheHalfShell@masto.ai
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
You got TAGGED. ?
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 17:00:29 +0200
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Laurie
Ottolaurie6@mas.to
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
like the internet is not getting annoying enough anymore with the dam cameras kids think will make them rich, good looking and happy…yes I bought into it at first also back in 1994..
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 17:17:16 +0200
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Hmark
hmark2331@hub.hubzilla.de
Möglicherweise nicht jugendfreie Inhalte - ansehen
@
Jan Wildeboer ?:krulorange:
@
bert hubert ????
can I have this tracker-beepr as a "Geigerzähler" as a radiationmeter pls? It would be much more fun.
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 17:32:38 +0200
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Tofu Musubi
Hawaii@mastodon.world
@jwildeboer
This is brilliant!
#privacy
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 17:55:03 +0200
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BrianKrebs
briankrebs@infosec.exchange
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
If you change the tone played to a "cah-ching" you can get an idea of how value is being generated from your mere browsing.
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 18:06:10 +0200
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John.e.lamb
johnelamb@mastodon.social
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
that’s obnoxious. I love it.
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 19:28:19 +0200
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Mgrrl
Mgrrl@mastodon.social
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
Per has written a blogpost about this very thing
https://axbom.me/objects/87db3bcb-8ff4-4748-a44f-609eeab21574
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:07:31 +0200
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Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
To all the commenters explaining how to make this go away: That's not the point. At all. The majority out there has to deal with this stuff and they don't even know. That's what this experiment is about.
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:15:01 +0200
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🏳️🌈Alex
einalex@chaos.social
@jwildeboer
The majority wholeheartedly embraces social media knowing perfectly well that they are being profiled.
That is unfortunately deemed an acceptable cost for the perceived benefits.
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:13:05 +0200
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Astian, Inc
astian@mastodon.social
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
With Midori you will never have that problem ?
https://astian.org/midori-browser
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:14:58 +0200
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Patrick Leavy
patrickleavy@mastodon.social
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
amazing way to show up
#surveillancecapitalism
!!
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:19:10 +0200
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Stuffy :neocat_comfy_happy:
stuffyxp@wetdry.world
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
yeah it's not a surprise that chrome gives a modem look anymore...
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:20:39 +0200
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Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) the real question is: Why do browsers share all of this? (And it's not just Chrome. These are Web Standards, so all browsers share this) Why isn't there a simple option to say "Read-Only, send no data back except for which page I want to see"? The web is not we want it to be, IMHO.
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:25:00 +0200
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Stuffy :neocat_comfy_happy:
stuffyxp@wetdry.world
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
i wonder what ie could send, since it can't display anything it would be the quietest one lol
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:37:24 +0200
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Julius Schwartzenberg - Юліус
jschwart@mas.to
@jwildeboer
in a way it relates to why do popular browsers do this and why are these browsers popular. I would say it relates to what ships with popular operating systems. (In my world the popular operating systems are Ubuntu, RHEL etc. ;) and they ship Firefox by default.)
Maybe it would interesting from a RedHat perspective to look with the Fedora project what a default browser should be doing.
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:43:16 +0200
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dexternemrod
dexternemrod@troet.cafe
@jwildeboer
I like that idea.
But from my understanding the browser cannot know if the content a page delivers is necessary content or trackers. So without having a database of trackers to blog or some heuristics this seems not possible.
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 22:57:54 +0200
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Fredrik
fredrik@universeodon.com
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
this should be done as default, but with the sounds a geiger-counter does, sites will be just radioactive :)
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Tue, 23 Apr 2024 23:47:56 +0200
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Fares K. Alaboud
fares@fosstodon.org
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
Hey
@musalbas
, does this ring a bell?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 00:54:28 +0200
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Francisco
chicao@mastodon.social
@jwildeboer
ó aí
@rberlim
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 01:41:09 +0200
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Sean Boyer 🇵🇸 FREE PALESTINE
sb@fed.sbcloud.cc
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
This will be a great "smell test" to hear what's getting by tracker blockers in the browser, on a
#piHole
, whatever. It's almost like it was designed for vision impaired folk, which I dig.
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 07:41:52 +0200
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
Natanox@chaos.social
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
Mmh, one could hack something together rather quickly using something like wireshark-cli and exhaustive lists usually used for Pi-Hole. ?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 08:57:35 +0200
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Dawning Sun
dawning_sun@mamot.fr
@jwildeboer
This reminds me of an art project to sonify cookies from a few years ago. It's implemented as a browser add-on:
http://jasmineguffond.com/art/Listening+Back
@bert_hubert
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 09:11:53 +0200
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Eric-Oliver Mächler ✅
emaechler@mastodon.maechler.cloud
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
what a funny idea ?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 10:09:05 +0200
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anorax
l_inadapte@framapiaf.org
@jwildeboer
I don't find the source code.
Somebody know where it is?
@bert_hubert
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 12:38:21 +0200
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anorax
l_inadapte@framapiaf.org
@jwildeboer
Thank you very much :)
@bert_hubert
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 12:53:16 +0200
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kiki
kiki@troet.cafe
@jwildeboer
Awesome idea - I`d love this as a live demo for my media literacy workshops!
@bert_hubert
@viennawriter
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 13:16:33 +0200
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Genders: ♾️, ?⬛?; Soni L.
SoniEx2@chaos.social
@jwildeboer
we could redesign the URI.
does it need to be universal?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 15:57:21 +0200
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piofthings
piofthings@mastodon.social
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
this would be an awesome plugin called “Tracker Tattler” ???
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 16:08:26 +0200
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Nina "Erina" Satragno ?
nsa@hachyderm.io
@jwildeboer
Ignoring the technical (how would it be implemented?) and ecosystem (breaking the existing web) challenges, there are perfectly legitimate reasons to identify yourself to a website, mostly around accessing data that belongs to you.
You can get close to what you want by disabling all cookies, and only visiting low enough entropy URLs. Most of the web will stop working though.
Private browsing modes are a compromise where site data is sent only if it was generated during the session
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 17:14:28 +0200
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Irve
irve@est.social
@jwildeboer
to me the most woke one is the internal ip address that's given out. That's just poor sabotage, Firefox
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 17:25:53 +0200
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frigginGlorious ✅
frigginglorious@freeradical.zone
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
now we need to add that tracking detection to TVs, smart devices and phones. That stuff is the kicker.
What's sick is that many paid apps implement trackers too.
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 20:16:22 +0200
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Gustavo
qgustavor@urusai.social
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
That dates from 2022, the repository (
https://github.com/berthubert/googerteller
) seems dead, the methodology seems flawed (it beeps on connections to Google IPs, not exclusively tracking IPs, which can include people hosting websites on Google servers) and, as the project seems dead, I don't know if anyone checked it it really works as intended.
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 21:47:31 +0200
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Gustavo
qgustavor@urusai.social
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
I maintain OSS, that's not this simple. I tried to read the code, but it's like trying to read and review a text in Portuguese when you only know Spanish, you understand many words, but it's hard to find issues.
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 22:38:05 +0200
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bytebro
bytebro@mastodonapp.uk
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
I absolutely love this - thank you. I now need a Windoze version so that I can show my friend WTAF is going on when he clicks on random shite.
An app for this in the AUR or Ubuntu repositories would also be amazing if it's not there already. Happy to chip in and help if you're fund-raising for this :)
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 22:53:56 +0200
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Gustavo
qgustavor@urusai.social
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
That's why I said the project seems dead, if someone else could work at it (like adding support to other IP lists like Facebook's) those ideas would already be implemented at this time. Like, it has been two years, right?
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Wed, 24 Apr 2024 23:34:10 +0200
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Gustavo
qgustavor@urusai.social
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert Sorry if you saw that as a complaint, I just felt it strange. One thing I don't like is when people mistake wanting more privacy with an anti-Google group. A video like that should at least raise some concerns to anyone who ever coded anything network-related: IMHO it looks... sounds... badly implemented either on the detection side, or on the Google side, or the website or something in between. The frequency is just too high for network requests.
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Thu, 25 Apr 2024 17:19:01 +0200
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ClearSkyImaging
uk_csi@mstdn.social
https://media.mstdn.social/media_attachments/files/112/332/522/293/171/852/original/6e4afa8322d74798.mp4
@jwildeboer
@bert_hubert
That's awesome! I took it out for a little spin this afternoon, not many clicks at all!
Until I turned off adbocker and pi-hole.. then I got quite the headache!
(Plus I never knew there were so many adverts on places...)
The sounds that your browser makes when each call it makes to google or facebook makes a little 'click'
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