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Mon, 17 Jan 2022 03:04:59 +0100

adminsforum@hubzilla.org

Ashley Eversole schrieb den folgenden Beitrag Mon, 17 Jan 2022 03:04:59 +0100

Hub down, no info

Hi, I previously had another account I posted with here under the same name, I had created a Hubzilla tutorial for new users
(old profile here https://fsphub.org/channel/phloxbayou
tutorial here https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/view/rFf64s5TPNggmGHNbInDPOVRJmtBu3Jyeezivw77j-w/ )

I had just gotten started with Hubzilla and trying to work to get people over, I hadn't had a chance to clone, and...... the server appears to have gone out. It's been weeks/a month or so.

Is there a way to recover my old account? Am I starting over and just got really unlucky about a host dying out so quickly? (I did check user count, uptime, etc when choosing)? Whats your suggestion for cloning accounts/ working with new users about that? (Given I might be teaching family members)

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Mon, 17 Jan 2022 03:51:37 +0100

Bill Statler

billstatler@forum.statler.ws

Did you happen to export your channel to a JSON file and download it?

I know about FSP but I'm not a member. Maybe somebody at one of their other social media sites knows what happened? https://www.fsp.org/connect/

I'm glad your tutorial is still online -- that was good work.

Mon, 17 Jan 2022 04:10:44 +0100 zuletzt bearbeitet: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 04:15:14 +0100

Ema エマ

ema@utasansh.in

For another time I strongy advice to do some researches about the hub provider and its administrator before building up your channel, profile and connections seriously. This is valid for any Fediverse service by the way.
Here's the draft of the user guide I wrote for the hubzilla.org website, dealing with this topic:

It may take some time to find the Hubzilla server (hub) you trust to be sure your data is safe. Best is if you know the administrator's character and how he works.

If you don't know a hub administrator, you can start as a user on a public server to test its functionalities, while being still careful with your sensitive data and complying with the terms of service, indicated under the page /TermsOfService of a hub, i.e. hubzilla.org/TermsOfService.

Make some considerations before choosing a server:

    Which release version do you want to test? For the latest release see zotlabs.org/channel/hubzilla-announcements. The version of a hub is indicated on its page /siteinfo, i.e. hubzilla.org/siteinfo
    Beside the built-in protocol Zot, do you want to test other protocols? The provided protocols by a hub are again listed on its page /siteinfo.
    Which apps do you want to test? Hubs usually provide only a specific set of apps. These are listed on the page /siteinfo.json of any hub, i.e. hubzilla.org/siteinfo.json.

Following two websites provide sortable tables for the location of the hubs, their release version or their openness to registration:

    hubzilla.fediverse.observer (contains also infos about the protocols the hubs use ?!)
    the-federation.info/hubzilla

You also find a list of hubs which are open for registrations under

    the page /pubsites of any Hubzilla server, for example hubzilla.org/pubsites
    the page /sites?project=hubzilla of any Zap server, for example z.macgirvin.com/sites?project=hubzilla

With setting up a clone, you become independent of the hub provider /admin, but the provided data are still at his/her mercy to a certain extent. So choose wisely

Mon, 17 Jan 2022 04:37:01 +0100

Bill Statler

billstatler@forum.statler.ws

I had the same thing happen to me when I first discovered Hubzilla in 2019 -- the server I picked died in about 6 weeks.

Mon, 17 Jan 2022 05:03:17 +0100

Grouchy

grouchy@hub.grouchysysadmin.com

@Ashley Eversole
I would consider running your own hub since you're bringing in family/friends. Any third party hub is never guaranteed.

Mon, 17 Jan 2022 05:31:48 +0100

Grouchy

grouchy@hub.grouchysysadmin.com

In that case, this might be helpful. https://hubzilla.fediverse.observer/list

Mon, 17 Jan 2022 06:14:12 +0100

Ema エマ

ema@utasansh.in

@Ashley Eversole

with most being 10 people or under

That should not be considered as an indicator of unstability. Number of users and stability are not related.
If some hubs are in your inner selection, try to contact their admins, ask them about their commitment (what's their purpose to run that hub, how do they get a remuneration for their commitment etc.), observe their communication style (how do they announce updates and changes concerning their hubs, how do they deal with user support request and so on)...

Mon, 17 Jan 2022 06:14:36 +0100

Grouchy

grouchy@hub.grouchysysadmin.com

@Ashley Eversole

Running a good public hub is a tough job, so I'm not surprised the options are limited. It seems node9 is working for you, so just remember to take frequent backups. I'd create a clone too.

Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:07:28 +0100

Witcraft (Hubzilla)

witcraft@hub.hubzilla.de

@Ashley Eversole While centralization is not ideal, hub.fediverse.de is a hub administered by a larger team of several well-known Hubzilla actors, so it is the most stabile it can get...

Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:33:45 +0100

hEARt PhoniX

tobias@hubzilla.rocks

As laso mentioned in the other thread, reposting for completeness:

Apologies but this site is unavailable at the moment. Please try again later.

This does not necessarily mean dying, there is just something wrong on the server, I suspect the file system where the database is stored has run out of space. At keast that would be the first place for me to check.
Or the database is not running.
Neither have I got no link to the hub, nor do I know who the admin is. This is just guessing.

Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:07:46 +0100

Apologies but this site is unavailable at the moment. Please try again later.

Either the database isn't running or the stored credentials are wrong.

Tue, 18 Jan 2022 03:12:10 +0100 zuletzt bearbeitet: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 03:18:06 +0100

hEARt PhoniX

tobias@hubzilla.rocks

I know that as you are not the admin it is of only limited use to you. But maybe the admin happens to read this somehow (cloning) and gets an idea where to look first, or others who may see this on their site will vaguely remember this and therefore have an easier time to find the issue.
I certainly did not know that this was already for a month ... which certainly reduces the hope that the admin even cares for their hub and may just delete it.

I think @Witcraft may have meant https://hub.hubzilla.de/ ?

Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:38:49 +0100 zuletzt bearbeitet: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:54:04 +0100

Witcraft (Hubzilla)

witcraft@hub.hubzilla.de

@hEARt PhoniX

I think @Witcraft may have meant https://hub.hubzilla.de/ ?

Yes, sorry. I should not comment when I'm on mobile phone, in a hurry, and cannot concentrate... :shrug. Thanks for the clarification.

Tue, 18 Jan 2022 10:07:38 +0100

Ema エマ

ema@utasansh.in

The draft for the user guide on hubzilla.org gets longer and longer...

Tue, 18 Jan 2022 12:40:27 +0100

Manuel JF

manuel-jf@hub.volse.no

@emanuel @ la bonne heure Congrats, Emanuel! And thanks :-)

Tue, 18 Jan 2022 12:50:21 +0100 zuletzt bearbeitet: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 16:33:12 +0100

Witcraft (Hubzilla)

witcraft@hub.hubzilla.de

@Ashley Eversole

but I know when Im working with, say, my grandma, one stable place is best lol

I'm sure that, say, your grandma would like it there - The admins are a just as friendly bunch as they are professional (some are IT professionals who developed how to optimize the load on their servers). One of them (@Mark Nowiasz) also runs the hub "https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu" which is the largest public instance of the Zot network (at least to my knowledge). I think grandmas and other new users need such reliable places to save them from the frustrations you encountered. Kudos to you for keeping going after challanging experiences with your first public hub account!

Fri, 21 Jan 2022 07:39:55 +0100

Mark Nowiasz

buckaroo@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Ashley Eversole Have you checked the checkbox above the register button (that you're sufficient of age and accept the TOS)?