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2024-11-06 09:20:37

Gargron@mastodon.social

I think it's going to be more important than ever that #Mastodon and the #fediverse are not centrally operated out of the US unlike almost every other social media platform out there.

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2024-11-06 09:22:19

NeonPurpleStar :heart_pan:

NeonPurpleStar@outerheaven.club

@Gargron i have never been prouder to be in the fediverse

2024-11-06 09:23:18

Toni Aittoniemi

gimulnautti@mastodon.green

@Gargron 100% agree. US stands a good chance of becoming much more oligarchic under Trump, with politics starting to seep into how the company leaders operate.

They won’t call it that obviously, because they’ll be oblivious to it. But politics it will be regardless.

They’ll call it business, but it will be politics agreed to in back rooms instead of government corridors.

2024-11-06 09:23:40

thibault

thibault@piaille.fr

@Gargron Yeah so please block out Threads

2024-11-06 09:23:42

Fred Rocha

john_fisherman@mastodon.social

@Gargron blatantly clear, man. Keep up the good work!

2024-11-06 09:24:08

Atha Ahuluheluw

Martranslations@mastodon.social

@Gargron I actually find solace in the fact that I'm here in a safe place. So thanks for all your hard work.

2024-11-06 09:24:34

Gary "grim" Kramlich

grimmy@mastodon.social

@Gargron yay thinking I might prioritize a mastodon and/or general activity pub plugin in @pidgin now...

2024-11-06 09:25:17

vruz

vruz@mstdn.social

@Gargron

It is central that you do not involve any American citizens in the board of directors too.

2024-11-06 09:26:56

Gerard Braad

gbraad@mastodon.social

and/or hosted

2024-11-06 09:27:02

Parade du Grotesque 💀

ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org

@Gargron

You took money from Facebook - that ship has sailed.

2024-11-06 09:27:31

Nevarro

nevarro@mastodon.social

@Gargron I hate it when I read „Twitter/X has become so bad, now go use Bluesky“. No, Bluesky is not the solution, it’s (going to be) a part of the problem.

2024-11-06 09:27:35

Nevarro

nevarro@mastodon.social

@Gargron I hate it when I read „Twitter/X has become so bad, now go use Bluesky“. No, Bluesky is not the solution, it’s (going to be) a part of the problem.

2024-11-06 09:27:52

Nevarro

nevarro@mastodon.social

@Gargron I hate it when I read „Twitter/X has become so bad, now go use Bluesky“. No, Bluesky is not the solution, it’s (going to be) a part of the problem.

2024-11-06 09:30:30

J.Sʜᴀʀᴘ🌍🇺🇦Fʀᴇᴇᴅᴏᴍ&Dᴇᴍᴏᴄʀᴀᴄʏ

JSharp1436@mstdn.social

@Gargron

Absolutely.

2024-11-06 09:30:39

Eugen Rochko

Gargron@mastodon.social

@ParadeGrotesque Where?

2024-11-06 09:32:06

Eugen Rochko

Gargron@mastodon.social

@vruz The board of the 501c3 does not have any legal power over the German entity which holds all the assets. This is a concern I've already had in mind.

2024-11-06 09:32:08

Davey

davey_cakes@mastodon.ie

@Gargron hang on, aren't you the boy that said it was a Big W that people can follow the US president from Fedi?

2024-11-06 09:33:54

Madeleine Morris

Remittancegirl@mstdn.social

@Gargron Yes, I agree. Very important.

2024-11-06 09:35:05

Eugen Rochko

Gargron@mastodon.social

@davey_cakes I am for interoperability. That is the underlying principle of the fediverse and how all the Mastodon and non-Mastodon platforms on the fediverse talk to each other.

2024-11-06 09:36:45

vruz

vruz@mstdn.social

@Gargron

I can obviously imagine the concern has crossed your mind, but the idea that the German legal system can stop an insider attack seems not very well thought out.

2024-11-06 09:39:07

Eugen Rochko

Gargron@mastodon.social

@vruz I'll repeat, separate entity. They're not "inside"--except as trusted advisors and mentors.

2024-11-06 09:39:28

JustRosy

JustRosy@universeodon.com

@Gargron Agree on that. At least after January 19, 2025.

2024-11-06 09:39:40

vruz

vruz@mstdn.social

@Gargron 🤷

2024-11-06 09:42:37

Davey

davey_cakes@mastodon.ie

@Gargron well I would politely suggest that standards of conduct and safety are going to mean more to people than interoperability over the next while.

Perhaps now is a good time to address how to make the out-of-the-box Mastodon experience one where people aren't exposed to white nationalists by default.

You have a chance to do something.

2024-11-06 09:44:36

LAUREN

noondlyt@hellions.cloud

@Gargron Yes.

2024-11-06 09:45:53

xs4me2

xs4me2@mastodon.social

@Gargron

The very reason I am here…

2024-11-06 09:46:30

Davey

davey_cakes@mastodon.ie

@Gargron more explicitly - Mastodon the company should start directly alerting people to which servers they REALLY need to think about blocking, and needs to do it at the install stage, and afterwards as routine.

2024-11-06 09:46:59

inquiline

inquiline@assemblag.es

@Gargron However, and I mean this respectfully, maybe you should prioritize safety features for racialized and minoritized people now?

2024-11-06 09:48:39

Steve

steve@feltmarker.uk

@Gargron @GossiTheDog yup! Been running my own personal instance a while now

2024-11-06 09:49:11

Eugen Rochko

Gargron@mastodon.social

@davey_cakes Improving the moderation experience by allowing admins to subscribe to shared blocklists is something we're planning for our next release, 4.4.

2024-11-06 09:59:58

GeekMiki

geekmiki@shelter.moe

@Gargron That should have been a given the day a certain person took over Twitter.
But yes, more than ever let's advocate for the #fediverse and #mastodon

2024-11-06 10:13:12

Parade du Grotesque 💀

ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org

@Gargron

Into your complete and utter irrelevance.

Your instance accept anyone, even the worst spammers, and your little behind-the-scene backroom deals with FB and friends are fooling no one.

You have my respect fro writing something usable and useful but it is way past its due-date.

2024-11-06 10:14:11

Stéphane Bortzmeyer

bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr

@Gargron vKontakte? :-)

2024-11-06 10:19:53

Feyter

feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place

@Gargron fascist autocrats hate this trick...

2024-11-06 10:19:55

Eugen Rochko

Gargron@mastodon.social

@ParadeGrotesque No, where have I taken any money from Facebook? Care to back it up?

2024-11-06 10:22:28

Dmian

dmian@mastodon.social

@Gargron My current minimum standard is: I don’t get on a platform if it can’t federate. ActivityPub is here to stay.

2024-11-06 10:27:10

Chris

chris@mstdn.animexx.de

@Gargron Thank you for the development. :)

2024-11-06 10:58:39

Mary Hilton

fmhilton@mastodon.sdf.org

@Gargron I've signed up with Univesedon because I like having backups.This instance was down for about 2 hours..I hope it's not a portent of what is going to happen.

2024-11-06 11:04:02

nLupo

nlupo@macrofurs.social

@Gargron I don't believe the people in the so called US are free, but even if you are not like me, you still should not put your eggs in one basket.

2024-11-06 11:08:21

Strght

strght@mastodon.social

@Gargron

Of course.

It’s also even more necessary to keep out the surveillance networks like Thread and Reddit.

Looking ahead more publicly funded instances might be helpful to grow the reach and volume of relevant content.

2024-11-06 11:14:19

Strypey

strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz

@gimulnautti
> US stands a good chance of becoming much more oligarchic under Trump, with politics starting to seep into how the company leaders operate

Both the GoP and the DataFarmers have been looking with approval at the close relationship between the CCP and TenCent, ByteDance, Weibo, Baidu etc. The GoP because they imagine themselves being in charge of the DataFarms, like the CCP are in charge of theirs. The DataFarmers because they know in the US it's the other way around ...

@Gargron

2024-11-06 11:26:04

Steve 史蒂夫

gnutrix@social.vivaldi.net

@Gargron Especially now that Chump is going to get to play President again and hand everything over to his rich friends, I think it's imperative that Mastodon plays a more active outreach role / PR to actively pull users away from BookFace, Shitter and the likes. Maybe some high profile partnerships with other like-minded orgs to actively promote their fediposts? All the FOSS / GNU / open society types of orgs should commit to making it their primary source, while only posting links on other platforms and their websites to their fedi-posts. Elon Musk needs to dread his decision to buy Shitter, and Troth Sential stock values need to tank to penny stocks. I haven't used Insta, Snap or TikTok to really know whether or not I'd hate them, but their ownership and control are problematic enough to relegate them "to the dustbins of history".

2024-11-06 11:44:13

Andalmori

andalmori@mastodontech.de

@Gargron Right you are.

2024-11-06 11:52:59

Public Enemy Exposed

pee@mastodon.online

@Gargron what about Switzerland?

2024-11-06 11:57:53

Pedro Machado Santa

pedrosanta@mastodon.social

@Gargron I agree. Still, what's the matter with Social Web Foundation? Honest question.

I see all these dubious companies over there. What's the game plan to have them (and their agendas) on the party?

2024-11-06 12:01:21

Sebastian DO2SGF

DO2SGF@social.darc.de

@Gargron This image sums it up too well

2024-11-06 12:03:01

Dutch Investor

Dutchinvestor@mastodon.social

@Gargron Thanks Eugen for sharing this vision. However, I think there is a mighty lot of work to do making Mastodon more accessible to average users

2024-11-06 12:03:30

Râu Cao ⚡

raucao@kosmos.social

@Gargron Or the EU for that matter. Or any single jurisdiction really.

2024-11-06 12:08:14

Possumantha

kastope@mastodon.social

@Gargron Get yourself a thumb drive and download tails for a start. https://tails.net/

2024-11-06 12:09:47

Aloniaxx

Judeet99@mastodon.world

@Gargron It will only become an important alternative when discussions can be more open, and the massiv elephants in the room are properly addressed.

2024-11-06 12:10:41

Mitex Leo

ml@mitexleo.one

@Gargron Couldn't agree more. US is not the only country on earth.

2024-11-06 12:11:27

Mitex Leo

ml@mitexleo.one

@thibault @Gargron You can block it from your instance.

2024-11-06 12:58:10

Christopher Manning

fotgjengeren@mastodon.social

@Gargron I'm new here, but yeah the landscape seems totally different. Definitely important

2024-11-06 13:01:02

Meanwhile in Canada

MeanwhileinCanada@ohai.social

@Gargron
yes

2024-11-06 13:09:43

Gondor

grootinside@troet.cafe

@Gargron Just never forget: the headquarter of #ICANN is situated in Los Angeles, California

2024-11-06 13:19:58

Tim Ashley 🏳️‍🌈 💙🤎💜

TimAshAsh@social.bau-ha.us

@Gargron Thank heaven! Crucially important, I would have thought .......

2024-11-06 13:24:13

Kristoffer Lawson

Setok@attractive.space

@Gargron this is important. Very important. However, as this election has shown, the 'negative choice' is not enough. #Mastodon needs to be the positive choice. With features, innovations and services that go beyond what others are offering, and entice people to come and to stay.

Of course that's not just up to you or the GmbH, but the things people create around this. But you can help in setting the culture, and creating joy in the core apps and services.

2024-11-06 13:29:38

hicksy2

hicksy2@mastodon.green

@Gargron never been prouder to have been off that place than today

2024-11-06 13:31:14

Charles U. Farley

freakazoid@retro.social

@Gargron Glad to hear you're gonna stop accepting new registrations on your centrally administered mega-instances.

2024-11-06 13:46:12

Aurochs

aurochs@todon.eu

@Gargron But mastodon inc is registered in the USA, ain't it?

2024-11-06 14:02:13

Stefan Urbat

Stefan_Urbat@mastodon.social

@Gargron yes, BlueSky seems doomed now to be honest

2024-11-06 14:31:11

Raccoon :mastodon:

Raccoon@techhub.social

@Gargron
Yeah, this is what I was saying a few days ago. TechHub will likely be moving our server to Canada, but I worry about the smaller servers run by a single person in the US, where that might not be an option.

2024-11-06 14:46:25

James Veitch

veitch@mastodon.social

@Gargron my thoughts exactly. More of this please. Let’s try and scoop out at least some of the firmament that allowed this to happen

2024-11-06 14:54:58

Basti 🇩🇪🇪🇺

wubatz@nrw.social

@Gargron I really hope that the EU will fund Mastodon

2024-11-06 14:58:50

Eric Likness

carpetbomberz@mastodon.online

@Gargron 💯 ActivityPub/Fediverse/Mastodon triumphant.

In 2016 we didn't have this,... and **NOW** we do.

2024-11-06 15:01:30

Luca da Firenze

chiamaluca@mastodon.world

@Gargron

absolutely
Mastodont and the Fediverse must be centrally operated out from US
this free media platform will not last long in US now

2024-11-06 15:02:24

Isaiah Nathanael

sprybear@mastodon.social

@Gargron indeed!

2024-11-06 15:13:36

EarthMomma

LaNaehForaday@mastodon.social

@Gargron

I think it's going to be more important than ever that HUMANS are not centrally operated out of the US unlike almost every other social media platform out there.

2024-11-06 15:29:05

B-Sizzle :mastodon:

josephwelch@mastodon.social

@Gargron invest in a VPN. You might need it.

2024-11-06 15:39:14

patricus

patricus@mstdn.social

@Gargron so, force more people out of your instances, there's too much of people on mastodon.social and mastodon.online

2024-11-06 15:49:46

stavpup

stavpup@mastodon.social

@Gargron the syntax does not make sense.

2024-11-06 15:51:09

Confrontation Jacen

thejacenallen@mastodon.social

@Gargron they’re gonna ban any apps not located in the US. The walled garden is getting taller walls.

2024-11-06 16:06:55

Verdant Square Network

verdantsquare@mastodon.world

@Gargron For damn sure. The US is not to be trusted. #AMAGAta

2024-11-06 16:22:17

nicdex 🇨🇦 🇺🇦

nicdex@techhub.social

@Gargron Yeah, I'm moving TechHub back to Canada. It's going to be PITA, but it needs to be done.

2024-11-06 16:23:06

Piousunyn

Piousunyn@universeodon.com

@Gargron Possibility #fediverse will be banned in the U.S. now, or used to attack people of difference and different opinions, from the Nazi ones.

2024-11-06 16:23:38

Martin Be

MartinBe@mastodon.social

@Gargron What difference does it makes if the private messages here aren't still encrypted and can be accessed by the 3-letter US organizations as they wish even without your knowledge?
They can harvest anything, any data about anyone they want from here and we all know exactly that something like this is possible. The weakest link is always the human. And if your moderators can read them, so can anyone else. Accidentally and on purpose. Even forcefully. That's pretty obvious. So.. you know.

2024-11-06 16:26:00

vlakicas

vlakicas@mastodon.social

@Gargron In US the answer is only US $. ✍️

2024-11-06 16:30:58

Stefan Laser🗜️

stefanlaser@social.tchncs.de

@gargron Thanks to all of us for doing this important work, not always agreeing on everything but still pushing this forward

2024-11-06 16:44:29

streetcoder

streetcoder@mastodon.social

@Gargron Yes, would be great to have a Mastodon server App readily available in e.g. a kitchen self hosted #freedombox or #uberspace lab guide https://lab.uberspace.de/

I'm still looking for the quickest and cheapest way for hosting a family instance.

Matrix, Mumble and XMPP are already running well. Next is Fediverse Goto Social or Mastodon or similar.

2024-11-06 17:11:42

Ayo :Ayco:

ayo@social.ayco.io

@Gargron that’s not even possible to happen right?

2024-11-06 17:12:02

Ayo :Ayco:

ayo@social.ayco.io

@Gargron that’s not even possible right?

2024-11-06 17:22:13

LiquidParasyte

LiquidParasyte@pawb.fun

@Gargron please, please, please work with your peers in the Fediverse software space to prioritize nomadic identity migration and instance/domain migration

Being able to move to a new instance while retaining the post history is going to be crucial in the coming times.

2024-11-06 17:32:06

Wyatt H Knott

whknott@mastodon.social

@Gargron One of the BIG things I like about Mastodon is that the host is subject to German laws. As a Jew this has given me some feeling of safety to post here. Thank you.

Which reminds me I probably ought to renew my donation.

2024-11-06 17:34:32

wendinoakland :bc:

wendinoakland@beige.party

@Gargron Happy my instance isn’t federated w meta or bsky.

2024-11-06 17:49:25

sahilrajput03

sahilrajput03@mastodon.social

@Gargron cool.

2024-11-06 18:01:45

Grumpygrannyquilts@mastodon.social

@Gargron 💯💯💯

2024-11-06 18:01:49

Sharon 🤦🏾‍♀️ Persists

SharonCrockett@toot.community

@Gargron Exactly why I selected a Netherlands-based instance when I joined #Mastodon back in late 2022.

2024-11-06 18:42:35

🄲🅈🄱🄴🅁🅃🅄🄺🄺🄴🅁

cyberTukker@tukkers.online

@Gargron couldn't agree more

2024-11-06 19:02:11

Aphrodite ☑️ :boost_ok:

Aphrodite@chaos.social

@Gargron At the same time, Meta is getting its hooks deep into this system, and how long until they move to the end of the embrace - extend - exclude - extinguish path they’ve followed for two damned decades?

2024-11-06 19:09:20

Ffrdghdidi

Ffrdghdidi@mastodon.social

@Gargron https://tinyurl.com/cx3mustafaanuitise

2024-11-06 19:52:25

martin lentink 🇪🇺 🍋 🟥

martinlentink@mastodon.social

@Gargron This.

2024-11-06 19:53:49

btkrth

beatekurth@mastodon.social

@Gargron

2024-11-06 20:03:09

mhoye

mhoye@mastodon.social

@Gargron While I agree with this, it might also be time to move the work prioritizing federated safety and collective protection to the front of the queue.

2024-11-06 20:23:58

Chuck Miller

chuckthewriter@mstdn.social

@Gargron All I can say right now is that I shut down my Twitter account this morning. Basically I made it private, logged off, and "forgot the password" so that nobody can use my old name as a spambot. I'm staying here on Mastodon, and will follow back all who follow me.

2024-11-06 20:35:39

Tyler C.

Govtylerc@mastodon.world

@Gargron Yes, everyone needs to get the f**k off Threads, Bluesky, FB, and X/Twitter. These sites can be powerful tools for organizing, but the oligarchy is in full force right now and all the owners of those sites are part of that system. Mastodon is the only means of organizing that is not centrally owned.

2024-11-06 22:53:12

AppleWoi

AppleWoi@mastodon.social

@Gargron

THIS!!!

2024-11-06 23:48:28

Wandering Star

pawsplay@dice.camp

@Gargron I wasn't sure what Mastodon will become, but in a pinch, it can be tin cans and string and carrier pigeons for people of conscience.

2024-11-07 00:44:44

Digit PaxMentis

digit_paxmentis@mstdn.business

@Gargron the election result brought me here. As journalist (with European roots) its more than urgent we from independent media come into action to stand against US Media and support our friends in USA with ProDemocracy. I think I will mirror my podcast (hosted in USA) to the Fediverse eco-system. Have to figure out the details. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/10/billionaire-owned-news-is-not-our-only-option/

2024-11-07 01:39:10

tom jennings

tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org

@Gargron

Some form of managed, shared block lists. Ro's "the bad place" sounds like a good start.

Then "whack a mole" won't be so futile and will accrue knowledge and save lots of people lots of time and allow for appeals etc.

2024-11-07 07:18:20

Xeno Danger Evil

XenoDangerEvil@dpw.social

@Gargron @davey_cakes this is welcome news

2024-11-07 10:33:00

cultdev

cultdev@mastodon.social

@Gargron love you people. i’m gonna hop on the patreon this week 👍

2024-11-07 12:07:52

Subby_SAB

Subby_SAB@mstdn.party

@Gargron thanks for creating this platform. 🙏🌹❤

2024-11-07 15:35:50

Matthias Pfefferle

pfefferle@mastodon.social

@Gargron sad but true!

2024-11-07 22:12:34

Simon

hejsimon@mastodon.social

@Gargron is Germany really better these days? 🤔

2024-11-07 22:29:41

OpenSoul ✅

OpenSoul@mastodon.social

@Gargron I agree

2024-11-08 00:20:30

tonnerkiller

tonnerkiller9200@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Eugen Rochko I wonder if we can put tariffs on such social networks…

2024-11-08 22:16:32

MathiasTCK

mathiastck@mastodon.social

@Gargron @ParadeGrotesque I bet they are trying to read something from threads.net fediverse integration.

2024-11-11 22:42:36

Death by Lambda

xdydx@mastodon.social

@Gargron
While you're at it, maybe workout for Mastodon and the Fediverse rid themselves of #BDFL types.

Please.

2024-11-18 19:55:58

Rusty Bertrand

RustyBertrand@kolektiva.social

@Gargron
Or Germany.