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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:27:32 +0100
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Stefan Bohacek
stefan@stefanbohacek.online
We should really consider a Mastodon/fediverse version of Twitter's "Community Notes".
https://mastodon.online/@davidaugust/112009608346074422
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/27302
#mastodon
#fediverse
#CommunityNotes
#moderation
#misinformation
#SocialMedia
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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:38:30 +0100
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Stefan Bohacek
stefan@stefanbohacek.online
Maybe even just a "note from the moderator".
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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:41:37 +0100
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morph
morph@morphnet.de
@stefan
Hmm ... per instance or federated?
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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:44:05 +0100
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Stefan Bohacek
stefan@stefanbohacek.online
@morph
Federated would make sense, to deal with misinformation going viral.
It would just have to be labeled as a "note from instance.name moderator team".
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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:52:37 +0100
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Neblib
Neblib@mastodo.neoliber.al
@stefan
I really like the idea of pinned replies (once by OP and once by mods) in one of the linked tickets
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/27517
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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:53:34 +0100
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Stefan Bohacek
stefan@stefanbohacek.online
@Neblib
Yep, I was just reading that!
I think this doesn't have to be too complicated, the idea is to prevent misinformation to spread, and even this will help.
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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 18:23:29 +0100
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Jupiter Rowland
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Stefan Bohacek
And ideally, this would not be another home-brew, non-standard, only-compatible-with-itself Mastodon solution but something built entirely against the ActivityPub standard.
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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 18:27:53 +0100
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Stefan Bohacek
stefan@stefanbohacek.online
@jupiter_rowland
Yeah, this would need to be compatible across all of the fediverse to be useful.
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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 20:55:26 +0100
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Hirad
hirad@m.hirad.it
@stefan
that's a really bad idea. The only way I can think of that it can be done is by allowing the admin to choose such community members. And it'll only be shown in that instance.
Random admins, with random moderators, deciding what is right and what is wrong. What can possibly go wrong!
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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 21:04:49 +0100
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Stefan Bohacek
stefan@stefanbohacek.online
@hirad
Yes, I noted elsewhere in the replies that maybe just giving admins/moderators a way to annotate a post might be a sufficient, maybe even a better solution.
Those are the people who can already decide to delete a post, so some level of trust should already be there.
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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 21:04:54 +0100
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Stefan Bohacek
stefan@stefanbohacek.online
@hirad
If the note is only visible on the instance it was posted to, that might not be enough to prevent misinformation from spreading. For example, someone can sign up on a small, less moderated instance, post from there, coordinate with people on larger instances to boost the message, and drown out any replies that have a correct information.
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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 21:05:37 +0100
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Stefan Bohacek
stefan@stefanbohacek.online
@hirad
I don't think the fediverse is at a scale and popularity yet that we have to worry about this, but we've seen some big spam attacks already, so I think we might want to start thinking ahead.
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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 21:08:29 +0100
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Hirad
hirad@m.hirad.it
@stefan
but "some" level of trust isn't enough. Yes, one might believe his instance admin is a fair and reasonable person. But doesn't mean he trust him on every political, social, scientific, etc etc topic.
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Wed, 28 Feb 2024 21:14:44 +0100
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Stefan Bohacek
stefan@stefanbohacek.online
@hirad
Right, that is a fair point.
And I'm not really sure I have an answer, but I can definitely see, as fediverse gains larger adoption, a need to counter misinformation here.
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Fri, 22 Mar 2024 09:44:17 +0100
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harmonicarichard
harmonicarichard@techhub.social
@stefan
We have one, it's called Wikipedia. ;-)
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Fri, 22 Mar 2024 10:08:09 +0100
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Bill Woodcock
woody@pleroma.pch.net
@stefan
It may be that Wikipedia, and links thereto, are sufficient. If we're not a walled garden, we don't need to replicate everything inside a wall.
I have no problem with community notes, and they're certainly a good way of improving Twitter. I'm just not sure that's a worthwhile effort, when we have an actual world out here, that responds well to creative input.
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Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:44:13 +0100
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Stefan Bohacek
stefan@stefanbohacek.online
@woody
Right, Wikipedia is great, but that requires people to question what they read online and do their own research, which, sadly, does not apply to everyone.
Especially with Meta/Threads joining the fediverse, it would be helpful to have tools that can prevent misinformation from spreading.
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Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:45:18 +0100
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Stefan Bohacek
stefan@stefanbohacek.online
@harmonicarichard
Right, but Wikipedia alone is not enough to stop misinformation from spreading.
See my response here:
https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan/112139400224109904
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Fri, 22 Mar 2024 16:17:27 +0100
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Bill Woodcock
woody@pleroma.pch.net
@stefan
I meant, more, that people could include links to wikipedia, rather than replicating content that already exists in wikipedia. Like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudflare#Controversies
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Fri, 22 Mar 2024 16:21:04 +0100
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Stefan Bohacek
stefan@stefanbohacek.online
@woody
Right, yes, but the comments linking there will be drowned out, still allowing misinformation to spread.
Maybe if moderators could pin replies, as I've seen suggested, that would work pretty well.
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Fri, 22 Mar 2024 16:23:20 +0100
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Stefan Bohacek
stefan@stefanbohacek.online
@woody
Or I suppose moderators could simply delete posts that contain misinformation, although some might argue that's too heavy-handed, or at least in some situations.
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