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Sun, 11 Aug 2024 06:32:08 +0200

markdarb@mastodon.social

What Misskey derivative are all the cool kids using these days?

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Sun, 11 Aug 2024 06:35:50 +0200

Mark Darbyshire

markdarb@mastodon.social

Also, how likely is it looking that we'll get federated groups that are compatible between both Mastodon and a Misskey derivative? Or ideally compatibility between a whole bunch of ActivityPub implementations.

I'm pleased to see some progress at https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/19059 and I can appreciate it's not something you would want to rush.

@fediversenews

#Fediverse #Groups #ActivityPub

Sun, 11 Aug 2024 07:24:38 +0200

flo

fasnix@dresden.network

@markdarb

cc @crossgolf_rebel

Sun, 11 Aug 2024 07:51:56 +0200

aliceif

aliceif@mkultra.x27.one

@markdarb@mastodon.social @fediversenews@venera.social genuine

accept no imitations

Sun, 11 Aug 2024 07:52:29 +0200

crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts

crossgolf_rebel@moppels.bar

@markdarb@mastodon.social This is a question that only Mastodon can answer.
Neither Friendica nor Misskey services have this problem

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Sun, 11 Aug 2024 08:12:03 +0200

Mark Darbyshire

markdarb@mastodon.social

@crossgolf_rebel @fediversenews My understanding was Misskey et al channels aren't federated but I would be thrilled to learn they do in fact have a federated groups functionality.

Sun, 11 Aug 2024 08:26:19 +0200

Cătă

petrescatraian@libranet.de

@crossgolf_rebel :calckey: :fckafd: FediCamp @Mark Darbyshire I don't understand how this whole post fits in Fediverse News, but yeah.

Sun, 11 Aug 2024 09:19:38 +0200

Cătă

petrescatraian@libranet.de

@Jupiter Rowland Any Hubzilla forums that you would recommend?

@Mark Darbyshire

Sun, 11 Aug 2024 09:43:21 +0200

Mark Darbyshire

markdarb@mastodon.social

@jupiter_rowland Thanks, that's a really helpful reply! Looks like lots of cool options for me to peruse. It irks me that so many communities I'm in depend on centralised proprietary tools like Facebook (or even Discord) so I'm really excited about the prospect of widely-supported federated groups.

Sun, 11 Aug 2024 09:47:40 +0200

Cătă

petrescatraian@libranet.de

@jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu schrieb:

I guess not few of those who try their luck quickly discover that Friendica is, in fact, not a pure group/forum platform, not "Guppe, but it's moderated", and too confusing and difficult to wrap their minds around. The step from Mastodon to Friendica is much bigger than the step from Twitter to Mastodon.

That is correct, many people are just unaware of our platforms, and everytime there is someone on r/Mastodon saying that they would like a [em]Mastodon instance with longer character limit[/em] or a [em]Mastodon instance with forums/groups thingie[/em] or that they want to move to Mastodon from Facebook and are looking for advice. However, there are still some interesting Friendica groups out there, albeit less active. I even created one for !Post Rock. I was wondering if there are some interesting communities in Hubzilla as well, despite the small user base.

c) ActivityPub is off by default, not to mention d) how to turn it on which is anything but straight-forward.

Holly cow. I guess I'll stay on Friendica for the foreseeable future :D

@Mark Darbyshire

Sun, 11 Aug 2024 09:56:11 +0200

Dźwiedziu

dzwiedziu@mastodon.social

@jupiter_rowland
This stuck me: why would a social network need a Tensor Flow integration?

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Sun, 11 Aug 2024 11:00:55 +0200

Dźwiedziu

dzwiedziu@mastodon.social

@jupiter_rowland
Okay, that's a good point.
How is the accuracy?

Sun, 11 Aug 2024 11:54:16 +0200

Cătă

petrescatraian@libranet.de

@Jupiter Rowland Right, I see. And the add-on is installed by the server admin, like in Friendica? Or does the user have to install it from somewhere?

Sun, 11 Aug 2024 12:48:41 +0200

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Cătă PubCrawl, the ActivityPub connector, comes pre-installed. And on the hub/admin side, it is activated by default AFAIK.

As the user, you have it under "Available apps", but you have to activate (= "install") it.

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Sun, 11 Aug 2024 13:36:46 +0200

Regezi

Regez@troet.cafe

@jupiter_rowland
I listen to your conversation with interest because I have very little technical background...
Are the add-ons more complicated to "install" than in Firefox? And what about Hubzilla's translation functions or German-language communities?
@petrescatraian

Sun, 11 Aug 2024 13:52:54 +0200

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Regezi

Are the add-ons more complicated to "install" than in Firefox?

No, because "install" means "switch on" rather than "download to your server".

Have a Hubzilla channel
Be logged in on the Web interface (as if you had much of a choice)
Burger menu in the top right corner
Apps
Available apps
Look for the app you need (Pubcrawl, labelled "ActivityPub", should be at the very top)
Click "Install"
Enjoy

And what about Hubzilla's translation functions

It doesn't have any.

or German-language communities?

There are no dedicated Hubzilla communities. You simply connect with other German-speaking users, no matter whether they're on Hubzilla or Mastodon or Firefish or Friendica or wherever.

Put "German" as a keyword/tag into your profile (there's a dedicated profile field for that, by the way), and you'll be suggested other German users.

As for German instances, the two biggest hubs are German, and I think most of the top five hubs are German.

As for Hubzilla forums, I only know six:

a Hubzilla support forum which is practically useless unless you're on Hubzilla (not even sure if it has ActivityPub on)
two mostly dead Hubzilla support forums which only come to life when a newbie has discovered either of them before the support forum
one forum for a kind of "inner Hubzilla circle", created to discuss the advancement and improvement of the Hubzilla ecosystem which is therefore only targetted at Hubzilla users again (pretty certain it has ActivityPub off, and it's invite-only, I guess)
one forum to discuss improving Hubzilla's documentation which is therefore only targetted at Hubzilla users again (pretty certain it has ActivityPub off)
one OpenSim forum which requires manual membership confirmation, but the admin hasn't logged in in years, so it's impossible to join the forum in the first place

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Sun, 11 Aug 2024 14:15:29 +0200

Regezi

Regez@troet.cafe

@jupiter_rowland
Thank you very much ?! I already had the impression that Hubzilla communities are now not to be found in droves on Mastodon
... New networks also need time to find their way around (for people without IT knowledge, a support community becomes all the more important)...as a mother with a family & everyday demands, I have to think very carefully about how to reconcile this....
* I've already bookmarked this & thank you for taking the time ?...

@petrescatraian

Sun, 11 Aug 2024 19:23:52 +0200

Cătă

petrescatraian@libranet.de

@Jupiter Rowland Sounds like the option is confusing. Here the addons usually have a checkmark and the word "enable". Makes much more sense than "installing" something your admin already installed.

Mon, 12 Aug 2024 00:43:02 +0200

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Cătă Well, that's what it is. It's the wording chosen back when add-ons were renamed "apps".

Basically, you "install" the "app" on your channel. It integrates the functionality of the "app" into your channel instead of just turning it on, and it adds or makes it possible to add links to the "app" to the navigation bar and/or the burger menu.

I'm not a Hubzilla dev. But it could be a different case of how add-ons work. I guess add-ons on Friendica are integrated into your account right away, you just turn them on and off, whereas on Hubzilla, "installing" an "app" does not turn the existing functionality in your channel on, but it builds the functionality into your channel in the first place. Especially PubCrawl is something that digs deeply into how your channel works, especially how nomadic identity works.

Don't forget that Hubzilla is not Friendica with nomadic identity and wikis and a different protocol. When Mike turned Friendica into Red, he re-wrote the entire backend from scratch.

This wording may actually be as old as Red. Trying to have it changed now would be like complaining that identities plus content are named "channels" on Hubzilla (and everything that has come after Hubzilla) because the term "channels" is being used in different contexts by other projects nowadays. It'd be like complaining that Hubzilla, like Friendica before it, has its own term for a server instance instead of officially calling it an "instance" or a "server".

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Mon, 12 Aug 2024 08:59:10 +0200

Cătă

petrescatraian@libranet.de

@Jupiter Rowland yea, I know. Front-end-wise though the difference between the two words doesn't make any sense, as the addon/app thingie still has to be added by the admin for you to be able to use it (but that's my 2¢ I guess :D).

They are indeed two very complex and powerful projects and I'm glad they exist. Hope they take off even more like Mastodon and Lemmy did.

Mon, 12 Aug 2024 09:35:01 +0200

Cătă

petrescatraian@libranet.de

@Jupiter Rowland Right, I see.