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Tue, 18 Jul 2023 09:13:53 +0200
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Streams Users Tea Garden
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Is there any way to get a list of Streams instances open for registration. I'm always at a loss when asked. So I often refer to Hubzilla. I figure at least it's a first step.
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Tue, 18 Jul 2023 11:04:38 +0200
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Jupiter Rowland
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Thu, 20 Apr 2023 00:17:05 +0200
How to find (streams) instances
Since #
Streams
isn't listed on any Fediverse website and probably never will, it's hard to find instances of it. But it isn't impossible.
There are two ways to do that. One is by finding a (streams) instance. Yeah, okay, that was a bad one. Try
streams.hubzilla.social
or
Rumbly
.
The other one, the one with learning wheels, is by finding an instance of one of the post-Hubzilla, pre-(streams) #
Zotlabs
projects because the-federation.info lists or used to list them.
It still lists Zap
.
Go to that instance. If it's (streams), you've technically found an instance. But where's the fun in stopping, no matter how inviting Rumbly appears? Let's find more. Let's go instance-hunting. If you've started on an instance of a Zotlabs project, you'll need to do that anyway because you aren't on a (streams) instance yet.
Next step: Click on the burger menu to the right on the navigation bar. (streams) has a menu entry named "Communities", the Zotlabs products had (or still have) "Sites". It's the same: It's where all Fediverse instances which have connected to this one are listed.
So there could be a (streams) instance or three somewhere, right? Yes. It's the more likely, the bigger the instance is.
The sidebar on the left lists projects; (streams) calls them "community types". You'll find lots of familiar names there. If you scroll down, chances are very good that there's "Streams". Bingo.
Now wait a second. Let me tell you a secret: Most (streams) instances don't identify as such. streams.hubzilla.social only barely does so, Rumbly doesn't at all. And those that do are usually personal instances with closed registration.
So let's go back to the list of projects/community types. The next part of the trick is to look at all those that don't sound like valid Fediverse projects. If you open them, and something with the ActivityPub logo shows up, you're extremely likely to not have found a (streams) instances (unless some prankster has used that same logo to identify their instance). If not, it might be a (streams) instance.
It's also worth looking at the old Zotlabs project names: Redmatrix, Osada, Zap, Misty/Mistpark2020, Roadhouse. All five can be upgraded straight to (streams). This has actually been done with some instances, and sometimes, the original branding/the last branding was kept in place.
Once you've reached this point, (streams) instances can be identified in various ways.
Does it mention (streams) in its description, maybe even link to the code repository? Then it's very likely to be (streams).
If not, does it have a date as its version, e.g. 23.04.18? Again, it's very likely to be (streams).
Still unsure? Then visit it. If it has the same colour scheme as my Hubzilla channel, it's very likely to be (streams). The colours on my channel are a
blatant ripo
-, um, homage to (streams).
The litmus test is the burger menu. If there's a Communities entry, it is (streams). If you find a description of the Zot API under Help, yup, it's (streams).
Before you join, go back to the Sites/Communities list where you came from and check the version. If it's a few months old already, chances are that there isn't much administration going on on this instance. If it's only a few hours old, don't worry, (streams) isn't so bleeding-edge that it's likely to blow up in your face.
Besides, remember that (streams) supports nomadic identity. If you're
a cowa
-, um, concerned about the resilience of your channel, you can always go nomadic on another instance or two.
If you've found a not-too-small-not-too-inactive (streams) instance, you can of course use it as your next base to go instance-hunting.
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Tue, 18 Jul 2023 11:19:14 +0200
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Jupiter Rowland
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It's here where it becomes a problem that (streams) technically has got neither a name nor a brand. "Streams" is the name of the code repository because the code repository required a name. The project itself is deliberately, intentionally nameless. Whoever sets up an instance is invited to not only call the instance itself whatever they please, just like with Mastodon and Friendica and Hubzilla etc, but to also make the instance identify as whatever they please which is unique.
Rumbly, one of the most important public instances with open registration, identifies not as "Streams" but as "-get". I'm not kidding.
This, in addition to pretty much all nodeinfo code having been removed from (streams), deliberately and intentionally again, makes it impossible to even
crawl
for (streams) instances. They're impossible for machines to find, and humans have to be adventurous and cunning to do so.
Even communities lists on (streams) instances aren't of that much help unless you're adventurous and cunning. You have to look at all "community types" that you're pretty sure aren't Fediverse project brand names. And you have to look at the logos next to the community type. If it's that generic "colourful guy silhouette", it's probably (streams). But some (streams) instances have custom logos.
Also, as I've mentioned in the re-shared posts, Redmatrix, Osada, Zap, Misty/Mistpark 2020 and Roadhouse can be upgraded directly to (streams). When this is done,
they keep their previous branding
. So if you upgrade a Zap instance to (streams), it still identifies as a Zap instance. So you also have to look at all instances with a Redmatrix net, a green Osada steering wheel, a Zap bolt, a Misty cloud etc., one by one. They all may or may not be (streams) now, or they may still be what they indicate to be, or they may be dead now.
Worse yet, the open registration indicator doesn't have to be reliable. You can't necessarily skip instances that indicate closed registration unless they're obviously private instances.
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Bill Statler
Tue, 18 Jul 2023 12:38:25 +0200
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Jupiter Rowland
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Come to think of it, should I ever launch my own (streams) instance, however unlikely, I think I may get creative with the branding. Maybe use the identity of one of the old Zotlabs projects, the older and more obscure, the better.
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Tue, 18 Jul 2023 14:32:45 +0200
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Giac El Vecio
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My site is open and public but with rules to follow, and immediately with a piece of advice that frightens those who arrive thinking it's a Twitter or a Facebook: if you are one of those people who like to have more than 100 contacts maybe it's better look for another hub. And exactly for this reason, today there are very few of us on the site. I already have enough experience running sites in this family (from friendica to streams) to know what's better for the health of a public hub.
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Tue, 18 Jul 2023 18:22:09 +0200
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Bill Statler
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I don't know the current count of Streams instances. I did some recreational Streams-hunting a few months ago and found 23 total, with most appearing to be private instances for one or two people.
I don't know what Waitman's long-term plans are for rumbly.net.
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Tue, 18 Jul 2023 18:42:33 +0200
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Giac El Vecio
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the past week I have been using rumbly and again had the delivery issue, receives fine but does not send. So, under these conditions, it would be a bad start for a novice in streams.
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