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2022-08-05 23:06:49

Hans van Zijst

hans@social.woefdram.nl

"Thou shalt not download a Windows ISO over Tor!"

Screw you, Microsoft...

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2022-08-05 23:23:36

Hans van Zijst

hans@social.woefdram.nl

Agree. But I do want to play a few games every now and then. And since I have a massive beast of a PC here, I want to run Windoze on it.

Previous attempts to install it failed, because Windoze didn't see either the NVMe nor the SSD. Linux did, of course, but I want to install Windoze first, so it can't screw up my bootloader.

2022-08-05 23:29:44

Hans

hans@federate.hopto.org

To be honest, windows does see nvme.2 and ssd but I did need to help him out when he bought the official version. nvme.2 indeed is so much fun, about 6 times faster then ssd :-) I did see sticks that might be 10 times faster.... tempted....

2022-08-05 23:35:56

randygalbraith@diasp.org

Hmm... maybe this is an update to the AARD code ;-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code

2022-08-06 00:21:40

tom grzyb

tomgrzyb@sysad.org

There has been so much, so many things wrong with everything Microsoft does for so long, all I can do is oppose their entire enterprise.

2022-08-06 00:26:09

Hans

hans@federate.hopto.org

The one Randy mentioned is just funny. They tried and it does mean you can trick them. It is a bit like nmap not able to guess your kernel version. Change one char in the version and they are confused.

2022-08-06 04:22:38

Nemethon

nemethon@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

If your games are on Steam, they will also run on Linux. Sometimes even better than on Windows. ^^

2022-08-06 04:30:59

Hans van Zijst

hans@social.woefdram.nl

@Nemethon Most of my games are on Steam, actually, so that sounds reassuring :-)

I play World of Tanks every now and then, which is not on #Steam, but most of what I play are #Civilization 6 and Cities:Skylines. And Battle for #Wesnoth, but that's available for every platform.

2022-08-06 04:35:31

Nemethon

nemethon@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

https://fossbytes.com/use-steam-proton-to-play-windows-games-on-linux/#:~:text=Can%20I%20Install%20Non%2DSteam,exe%20file%20%3E%20Add%20Selected%20Programs.

2022-08-06 04:35:46

Nemethon

nemethon@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

for non-steam games

2022-08-06 05:04:43

Hans van Zijst

hans@social.woefdram.nl

Thanks, that looks promising! I'll try to install this machine tomorrow (ok: later today) and see how far I get.

2022-08-06 05:34:03

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quetzop1@diasp.org

If your games are on Steam, they will also run on Linux. Sometimes even better than on Windows. ^^

If my games are on steam, but I don't have steam, and bought the games offline, will I then be able to run them on Linux or are the adaptations made by steam only available to steam users?

2022-08-06 08:57:29

tom grzyb

tomgrzyb@sysad.org

Has the WINE Windows emulator under linux improved in the last few years? Just curious, I have no intention of running Windows software.

2022-08-06 14:25:57

Hans van Zijst

hans@social.woefdram.nl

Don't know about WINE, I haven't run that in a very long time.

2022-08-06 14:43:45

Nemethon

nemethon@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

You can check your game here:
https://www.protondb.com/

and for wine:

https://appdb.winehq.org/

2022-08-06 14:45:58

Nemethon

nemethon@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

World of tanks

Wine - Gold/Platinum status
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=11544

Proton - Silver status
https://www.protondb.com/app/1407200

2022-08-06 17:48:14

Hans van Zijst

hans@social.woefdram.nl

@Hans

they thought he was cheating

That's a recurring theme in World of Tanks, yes. One of the reasons why I hardly play it anymore.

2022-08-06 17:51:51

Hans

hans@federate.hopto.org

I know he has had that problem with several games. Well, he's happy, so am I since I do not know anything about windows ;-) (kept telling everyone until they started to believe me :-). He knows I can work with it but I just do not feel like it.

2022-08-07 03:32:37

tom grzyb

tomgrzyb@sysad.org

Try installing OpenBSD on an Apple G5. Ugh. After maybe half a dozen attempts, I finally got it. The secret (which no one will tell you - oddly enough) is that you have to first use the Apple install disk to format the disk drive to HFS-Journaling before you can install OpenBSD. Theoretically you can have it formatted to an MSDOS format, but believe me, you don't want to go there.

2022-08-07 03:43:43

randygalbraith@diasp.org

Always nice to hear stories of persistence @tom grzyb!

2022-08-07 03:47:45

tom grzyb

tomgrzyb@sysad.org

From what I can tell (or suspect), there is some Apple "magic" which has to be there first...

2022-08-08 20:55:53

Hans van Zijst

hans@social.woefdram.nl

Ah, wait. I was thinking like a Linux-user, but Windoze is more difficult than that. Apparently it's too easy to simply drop an ISO onto a disk with "dd": you have to create a partition table, a partition of the correct type, make it bootable, format it for NTFS and then copy the entire content of the ISO to that partition...

Let's hope this is the last time in my life that I installed Windoze.

2022-08-08 21:24:03

tom grzyb

tomgrzyb@sysad.org

They have their reasons not to make it easy...

2022-08-08 22:43:28

Ronald

Ronald@mastodon.nl

@hans Ik snap die haat tegen alles wat met Windows te maken heeft niet zo, eigenlijk. Ik ben zelf ook fervent Linux gebruiker, maar ik moet voor mijn werk ook met Windows 10 en 11 werken en met Windows servers. Installaties gaan veelal fluitend en gebruik ook. Natuurlijk is Linux voor de doorgewinterde gebruiker flexibeler, er is meer keus enz. maar op zich functioneert Windows ook gewoon goed. Het is alleen bedoeld voor een ander publiek.

2022-08-08 23:00:05

Hans van Zijst

hans@social.woefdram.nl

@R?nald

Het is alleen bedoeld voor een ander publiek.

Ik denk dat dat idd mijn grote probleem is: ik ben dat andere publiek.

De eerste PC die ik kocht (zo'n 30 jaar geleden) had Windows 3.11 aan boord. Ik heb er een kwartiertje doorheen geklikt en heb er toen afgedonderd. Het is nooit meer goedgekomen tussen Windoze en mij.

2022-08-09 07:07:51

Ronald

Ronald@mastodon.nl

@hans Dat snap ik. Maar daarom is het nog niet slecht. Als ik heel eerlijk ben dan heb ik regelmatig meer moeite om verschillende Linux distro's 100% draaiend te krijgen op wat meer ingewikkelde systemen dan Windows. Dat is geen probleem, want daar passen we dan wel weer een mouw aan, maar toch. En mijn Xerox laserprinter uit 2007 draait na 30 seconden onder Windows en ik moet elke keer weer hemel en aarde bewegen om hem redelijk te gebruiken te krijgen onder Linux helaas.