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2024-12-28 16:02:45

resl@kolektiva.social

Right now I am experimenting with different servers, migrating accounts, and comparing UXs and such things, so I have 3 mastodon accounts. One on mas.to, this one, and one on beige.party.

Someone I followed messaged me saying, "Am I being followed by the Red Army?" and then (I think) blocked my accounts. Not sure how to take that... I mean the joke was kind of funny but...

Is it bad... "form" to have multiple accounts? I am trying out different instances and learning about mastodon by doing that but if it is somehow threatening I would like to know why or to what proportion of users.

#feditips #mastodon #fediverse #help

2024-12-29 14:52:16

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Red I do hope the "Mastodon equals Fediverse, and it must stay this way" crowd won't push only having one account and one identity in the Fediverse into the same "Mastodon culture" that's being forced upon the whole Fediverse by some Mastodon fundamentalists.

That would essentially "outlaw" two features that almost nobody in the Fediverse has ever heard of, but that have been available in the Fediverse for longer than Mastodon itself, both introduced by a Friendica fork from 2012 named Red, known since 2015 as Hubzilla. And at least three out of four Fediverse users have never even read that name before.

One feature is nomadic identity: You can have "clones", live, hot, bidirectional backups of your Fediverse identity on multiple server instances. Imagine having copies of your Mastodon accounts on other servers, but these copies include everything (posts/DMs, followers, followeds, settings, timelines, filters, lists etc. etc.), and these copies keep each other in sync all the time whenever something happens on them. That's nomadic identity.

You can long into your clones and use them just like you can use your main instance. You can make one of your clones your new main instance. Your Fediverse identity is safe from vanishing with the shutdown of a Fediverse server. And other servers that understand nomadic identity see all instances of your identity as one.

Currently, at least to non-developers, nomadic identity is only available on Hubzilla, using Zot, and (streams), using Nomad, and you can only clone between instances of the same server software. But the implementation using ActivityPub is being worked on, and the goal is to one day be able to have the same identity on servers of different applications.

Nomadic identity not only fulfills the dream of being able to move between instances with everything, but it goes way beyond. In many cases, it means you don't even have to move.

Nomadic identity means that you've got multiple accounts, but one identity.

The other feature is a byproduct of the creation of nomadic identity: multiple identities on the same account, the same login. Hubzilla and (streams) call them channels.

It actually makes sense to have multiple of these because (streams) channels can be versatile and Hubzilla channels even more so. On both, you can run a channel as a public or private discussion group. Or you can run a channel as you personal WebDAV/CalDAV/CardDAV server that's independent from your main social networking identity. Or you can run a channel as a blog that's separate from your main social networking identity. Or, on Hubzilla, you can run a channel as a wiki or a website.

You can run as many channels on one account as you want. The advantage of having multiple channels on one account over having one account per channel is that you can switch between channels without having to log out and back in.

In both cases, your Fediverse identity is detached from your login. A concept completely alien to most of the Fediverse. And I guess the only reason why Hubzilla users aren't mass-blocked for this is because sensitive Mastodon users often don't notice any of this.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #NomadicIdentity

2024-12-29 15:07:55

Rachel has moved...!

resl@kolektiva.social

@jupiter_rowland Oo la la... this is very helpful and interesting. It is just as useful to learn about programs and tools as it is to learn about cultural trends or tensions within groups that use tools, for me, because it seems they are very dependent on each other -- the tools and the tensions, that is. You know what I mean, I figure. Thank you for this -- I am reading about it now. ?

2024-12-29 15:28:45

Rachel has moved...!

resl@kolektiva.social

@jupiter_rowland P.S. I've not yet encountered this sentiment, and I'm curious to learn about the reasons anyone has for any of those opinions. Personally I'm fascinated and overwhelmed by the number of ways software, especially for communications, influences me and my relationships, and I want to understand everything I can about options we have and what people are using and thinking about what they're using... I guess you get the point. So don't hesitate to tell me your thoughts, is the reason for this wall of text lol. Feel free to PM me if you feel like sharing more a bit more privately too... Thank you.

2024-12-29 15:40:56

Rachel has moved...!

resl@kolektiva.social

@jupiter_rowland One thing I see that piques my interest is the license. Hubzilla uses an MIT license instead of the GPLv3. Why do you think that was chosen, if you can speak to that? It tends to turn me off to see an MIT license where they could be a GPLv3...

2024-12-29 15:47:32

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Red I guess one reason is to make it easy to adopt code from Hubzilla or fork it.

Friendica, which Hubzilla was forked from, used to be under the MIT license itself until the community relicensed it to the AGPLv3 post-fork. This, however means that while Friendica can theoretically use code from Hubzilla (if it can make that code fit), Hubzilla can't adopt code from Friendica.

The youngest publicly-used member of the family, (streams), a fork of a fork of three forks of a fork (of a fork?) of Hubzilla, was intentially released into the public domain, save for third-party add-ons in the official add-on repository under different licenses. The idea was to make forking it into FLOSS easy and forking it into something proprietary a nightmare.

I think it's fair to mention that everything from Friendica to (streams) came from the same creator who has been developing software for a living since the 1970s.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)

2024-12-29 15:49:53

Rachel has moved...!

resl@kolektiva.social

@jupiter_rowland Right, but couldn't Hubzilla still adopt code from Friendica if Hubzilla relicensed under the GPLv3? ?

2024-12-29 16:05:31

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Red It could.

But it was the intention of the creator, @Mike Macgirvin ?️, for all his works to be under the MIT license. The current Hubzilla maintainers, @Mario Vavti and @Harald Eilertsen, certainly won't relicense Hubzilla under the GPL in any shape or form, otherwise they would have done that.

It isn't even worth doing so just to have code from Friendica. After all, Friendica's backend is vastly different from Hubzilla's. Friendica is based on a mixture of ActivityPub and its own DFRN whereas Hubzilla is based on Zot with ActivityPub available through an optional add-on. On Friendica, your account is your identity; it doesn't have Hubzilla's channel model, nor does it have nomadic identity.

Red came to exist by Mike forking Friendica and rewriting the whole thing against his new Zot protocol. Hubzilla hardly has any old Friendica code left over. So it's safe to assume that Friendica's code is incompatible with Hubzilla anyway.

Generally, there's nothing on Friendica that'd be worth taking over for Hubzilla. Not even themes because theming works entirely differently on Hubzilla.

Asking Mario and Harald to relicense Hubzilla under any form of the GPL is as likely to succeed as asking them to implement all kinds of proprietary Mastodon stuff to make Hubzilla more compatible with Mastodon and Mastodon apps:

Not going to happen.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #MITLicense #GPL #AGPL

2024-12-29 18:34:55

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aeleoglyphic@tech.lgbt

@jupiter_rowland
I like this idea. :)