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Tue, 30 Apr 2024 05:48:20 +0200

mima@makai.chaotic.ninja

Tbh I'm not enthusiastic about a #Mastodon #hardfork. Not necessarily because of the #techdebt or even because it's technically inferior to other #ActivityPub implementations (which are both true), but because I cannot be sure if that new fork is going to adopt the same attitude as Mastodon in choking the rest of the #fediverse with its proprietary extensions and #EmbraceExtendExtinguish / #EEE.

I'd rather not have the uncertainty. Either start from scratch like #GoToSocial is doing or help the other two mainstream AP families which are #Misskey and #Pleroma. That's the only way we can ensure no implementation overwhelmingly dominates the fedi.

#fediversemeta

RE: https://hachyderm.io/users/jenniferplusplus/statuses/112355187216928083

Jenniferplusplus schrieb den folgenden Beitrag Mon, 29 Apr 2024 17:21:41 +0200

If in-place upgrades aren't the goal, then just build something new. Or contribute to one of the various preexisting projects. Don't adopt mastodon's tech debt for no reason. It's not worth it.

I know I'm eager to have more help, if existing projects suddenly sound better.

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Tue, 30 Apr 2024 05:55:24 +0200 zuletzt bearbeitet: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 05:56:21 +0200

Laxystem

laxla@tech.lgbt

@mima I understand your point, but, if we want communities to migrate from Mastodon into a different #ActivityPub software, it has to keep all their data and settings and the UI they're used to, etc. etc. The best way to do that is by hardforking Mastodon, and providing a better migration path to different software using the same domain (as Mastodon, Inc. won't implement this themselves, as it doesn't benefit m-n.social)

Tue, 30 Apr 2024 06:01:49 +0200

:mima_rule: Mima-sama

mima@makai.chaotic.ninja

@laxla@tech.lgbt There was an experiment by the #Sharkey lead dev which tried to make migration of an instance from Mastodon to Sharkey possible. It got abandoned however.

I think this idea of migration from a whole different AP family should be revisited, but with a Pleroma instead. Pleroma already has a Mastodon FE and the whole Mastodon API implemented (with extensions to support custom emoji reactions and others), plus a very flexible moderation and filtering system (MRF). If there's an AP family best fit for migrating from Mastodon, this is probably it imo.

Tue, 30 Apr 2024 06:23:08 +0200

Lemonheep is a heep of citrus :neofox_flag_pan:

radmin@limepeeps.perchinup.top

@mima@makai.chaotic.ninja Tbh, my art acc would've been in https://lethallava.land instead of its sister instance, https://wetdry.world, if Pleroma and Misskey-like software also had the Media tab in profiles displayed as a grid. That's one of Mastodon's greatest W's, as an artist. It just makes it nearly completely painless to discover old or specific artworks. Otherwise, you just cannot get artists (who most likely also love viewing art) on board here and not e926/e621, Newgrounds, FurAffinity, and now Twitter (which recently implemented that very feature) without it. Yet, I'm completely unsure if the devs of non-Masto software are interested in it.

Otherwise, I just vibe with Sharkey more. It's just too usable for me to give up on it.

Tue, 30 Apr 2024 14:04:20 +0200

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@:mima_rule: Mima-sama My first thoughts when I read about the hard-fork plans were just this. If you want stuff in the Fediverse that Mastodon doesn't have, why not use something that already has that stuff? After all, my most popular post by far was about just this.

But by reading how @tallship and @The Nexus of Privacy explained their motivation, it looks like this won't be another "Mastodon + xyz" project by people who don't know the Fediverse beyond Mastodon. I mean, @tallship is on Hubzilla himself. @tallship is on Misskey as well. He's on almost everything.

If anything, it's likely that a hard fork will do away with lock-in measures and open what's essentially Mastodon up to the rest of the Fediverse. The idea is to have something that looks like Mastodon and feels like Mastodon and maybe even has Mastodon in its name, but without Mastodon's product politics and without Mastodon's "We're the Fediverse, full stop" attitude.

As first steps, I've already proposed an indicator for the instance type a post came from (Friendica has it, and I think at least one *key has it) and built-in migration on at least Sharkey's level to facilitate moving away from the original woolly mammoth.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Fork

Tue, 30 Apr 2024 14:46:02 +0200

:mima_rule: Mima-sama

mima@makai.chaotic.ninja

@radmin@limepeeps.perchinup.top Oh yeah, I'm surprised #Misskey didn't have that feature yet, considering how many artists there are in misskey.io.

Would've been really useful for searching for a particular image from a certain user instead of going through their whole timeline...

#Firefish (which Lethal Lava Land used to be on before migrating to #Sharkey which doesn't have the feature because it's a Misskey soft fork), #Iceshrimp, and #Catodon has a media panel in the user's profile, but it only displays up to the recent 10 items...

Definitely something that can be improved on!

Tue, 30 Apr 2024 14:53:01 +0200

:mima_rule: Mima-sama

mima@makai.chaotic.ninja

@radmin@limepeeps.perchinup.top Oh wait I'm wrong about #Firefish, it has a media tab that can infinitely load as many items as the user has uploaded since joining

(why didn't #Iceshrimp adopt it

)

One can check through here for example: https://post.naskya.net/@dev

Wed, 01 May 2024 00:39:38 +0200

The Nexus of Privacy

thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

I certainly think @mima 's concern is valid. The section on "A lot of open questions - and a lot of potential upside" includes "How can a new fork work with apps, platforms, and hosting providers more effectively?" and some stuff about not repeating Mastodon's patterns in other areas patterns.

On the other hand the new fork won't be coming in with we're the big elephant, we'll do what we want" position of the last several years, and they'll presumably realize that, so they've got incentiive to be more cooperative. Of course that's no guarantee, so we shall see.

@jupiter_rowland @tallship@public.mitra.social @tallship@zotum.net

Wed, 01 May 2024 03:59:53 +0200

:mima_rule: Mima-sama

mima@makai.chaotic.ninja

@thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange Well I guess we'll see. Not like I can stop it anyway. :P But I will still be skeptical.

Maybe I can only get rid of the skeptic within me if this new fork implemented #quoteposts fully (not the half-assed one Treehouse has unfortunately) like in Misskey. Which means being able to quote for one, notifications of quotes being two-way, quote posts from at least the Pleroma and Misskey families being displayed properly instead of being a generic link preview, and being able to browse through all quotes of each post (to the best of the instance's federation). I wouldn't even mind if they added safety features afterwards (even if I'd have some reservations on it), just the full implementation alone means that they are willing to work with the rest of the fediverse.

@jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu @tallship@public.mitra.social @tallship@zotum.net

Sat, 18 May 2024 03:15:13 +0200

tallship

tallship@zotum.net

To be clear, I'm not advocating for yet another masto fork, merely in support of many such efforts that will serve to dilute the trademark and brand.

I think efforts to improve upon that resource behemoth are good, yet also delusional when comparing the utility of anything forked from it as something average schmoes can run on a rPi in their home's LAN. I know I don't need to list any of those platforms that will fit that niche as well as hosting on inexpensive VPSes very nicely - that list is very, very long :)

What I think I have the biggest problem with, began with the Newsweek interview with gargron - Not once, anywhere in that article was the word Fediverse or any other Fediverse platform mentioned, it was as if, masto was the only #DeSoc alternative to all of the deprecated monolithic silo spaces. Then comes the new masto board with a twitter co-creator as a member, lolz...

And now more calls for forks - I say, fork away people! fork away!

Honestly, it hasn't really served the Misskey community all that well - so much fragmentation and disenchantment following the implosion of Firefish, prior to that it was really just friendly forks that didn't usually even bother with any sort of re-branding away from Misskey.

At least "some" of the existing masto forks are addressing what so many masto users have been screaming about for what seems forever (at the cost of maintaining a notorious resource hog).

Sun, 19 May 2024 02:35:30 +0200

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@tallship I've read from at least one first-hand source that Hubzilla, out of all Fediverse projects, requires fewer server resources than Mastodon. Hubzilla, the Jack-of-all-trades, the Swiss army knife of the Fediverse.

One reason is that it happily runs on a LAMP stack, and it doesn't need fancy stuff like Ruby on Rails. I'm not sure how much not caching media helps, at least unless people use their channels as cloud storages.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla