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2023-02-24 21:54:53

Chris Trottier via Fediverse News

atomicpoet@mastodon.social

@rigrig The problem is that a few very vocal folk don't want search. Opt-in is a compromise.

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2023-02-24 23:06:59

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

The problem isn't searchability.

The problem is mandatorily and firmly connecting all of Mastodon (or the whole Fediverse, i.e. including all of Pleroma and Akkoma and MissKey and CalcKey and Glitch-soc and Friendica and Hubzilla and you get the idea) to something centralised.

Being 100% decentral is a killer feature of the Fediverse and has always been one. And it's being defended tooth and nail. Whenever someone introduces some centralised service that tries to automatically latch onto the whole Fediverse, instances defederate and block it left and right.

See, if there's anything central in the Fediverse that absolutely has to be used, this means two things. One, the Fediverse has a single point of failure. Two, there's some central point from which theoretically the entire Fediverse could be manipulated, controlled, censored. Something that's impossible with a fully decentralised architecture.

Truth be told, this has a lot of conflict potential. Those who have been in the Fediverse for many years are here because it's free-as-in-freedom, open-source and decentralised to the point that anyone can run a private instance of their preferred project. And they want it to stay that way.

Those who came here with the #TwitterMigration aren't in the Fediverse because it's decentralised, but although it's decentralised. Some simply see the complicated architecture of Mastodon alone as a lesser evil in comparison to Elon Musk. Even more staunchly demand the whole Fediverse be converted into a fully centralised, monolithic, corporate "Twitter without Musk" silo so that they don't have to wrap their minds around the concept of "instances" or think about what works behind their mobile app at all.

It's the latter who keep on demanding mandatory centralised features for the whole Fediverse. And it's the former who demand they be defederated from all instances of all projects once someone develops and launches them.

2023-02-25 00:34:14

Adam Lui :verified:

adam@elonsucks.org

@jupiter_rowland I liked your post because it's the longest one I've ever read

2023-02-25 00:34:48

Adam Lui :verified:

adam@elonsucks.org

@jupiter_rowland ...on Mastodon so it's like I witnessed the long form feature in it's full glory for 1st time

2023-02-25 00:45:52

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

@Adam Lui :verified: This isn't the long form feature. My post didn't come from Mastodon at all but from a project named Hubzilla.

2023-02-25 07:21:29

Danny Boling ☮️

IAmDannyBoling@mstdn.social

@jupiter_rowland

You make some very important points here. As one of the newbies, I'm trying to understand the culture and your thoughts have explained some of what I was missing. Thanks for your comments.

2023-03-11 12:06:29

Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

TimWardCam@c.im

@jupiter_rowland Don't worry, the search function isn't centralised, this is the second such service I've seen this week - I'm sure others will be along in due course.